It's funny... Moderators are SO hungry for power that they just can't let go. If the moderators for huge subs like IAMA, PICS, etc. dropped the cutesy meming bullshit "protests" and just simply quit doing the job for free, some damage could actually be done to reddit.
But these people are simply too invested in the communities they built and in love with the power they have to let go of the dead corpse they are clinging to.
but that's what this post is, they're quitting. did you reply in the wrong thread or something?
They're not quitting. They are going to continue to moderate their sub. Yes they have agreed to no longer do a huge laundry list of responsibilities they took upon themselves to improve their sub - but they are not quitting.
Quitting would truly impact reddit. Losing this group of moderators who have built relationships with agents and PR groups would be huge. They are literally unreplaceable. It would take reddit years to get mods in place that could do what these do on the daily. But they are unable to quit because they don't want to give up their throne and things will eventually return to normal without reddit conceding an inch.
Look at the media coverage losing r/Minecraft got because those devs/mods had the courage and backbone to quit. We need more of that.
Even in their letter, the mods of IAMA said they'd been asking for tools since 2015. No changes. 8 years and they still haven't gotten what they wanted. Yet they refuse to take the next necessary step. To quit.
Sunk cost fallacy and power hungry are a terribly greedy combination.
They’ve told the media that they are actively planning to remove moderators who keep subreddits shut down and have no intentions of making changes.
So, moving forward, we’re going to run IAmA like your average subreddit. We will continue moderating, removing spam, and enforcing rules. Many of the current moderation team will be taking a step back, but we’ll recruit people to replace them as needed.
That doesn’t sound to me like they’re quitting, that sounds to me like they’ll protest but support Reddit for as much as it takes to still be moderators.
I agree but with slight differences, I don’t think it’s only about power but more on the first thing, they have built communities for over a decade, to just leave is extremely difficult when you have poured this much work and time into the thing, it might be like an abusive relationship but they still love the places they’ve built.
That being said, some of mods have left big subs, but it’s kind of difficult to get everyone on board.
Lastly I do think this is impactful, it literally strips one of the most “prestigious” and well recognized sub of all the functions that made it special, only doing the bare minimum to keep it alive
It’s weird, I always thought the “power hungry mods” thing was a bit of a running joke spread by people who’d been annoyed about a mod decision or two - it’s really surprised me how true it’s been proven to be and how many actually folded when threatened to be removed.
There's been a pretty wide range of responses, and while some boil down to that, I think the general trend is attachment and people fearing the result of some rw 'scab' taking over. Elkaki above's comparison to an abusive relationship feels really on the mark.
Even without all that though, sometimes it's genuinely hard for people to break habits; and many of these habits are years old. Doesn't really come down to region or logic.
Nope, the biggest sub to my knowledge that tried to move bringing a sizable audience is r/piracy.
Most other subs have kind of mentioned lemmy or kbin exist, but haven’t established communities over here. (IAMA didn’t promote anything at all sincethey didn’t even take part on the protests)
The drawbacks outweigh any advantages. 'Karma' becomes the status symbol, leading to wisecracks, puns, and irrelevancies instead of intelligent dialogue.
I agree with you, since Apollo died last night, I have been exclusively on kbin and lemmyw. I don’t know if it is the novelty or just my wish for reddit to die, I don’t miss Reddit at all. Maybe it is like the feeling of a first day after a break up, while you’re still trying reconnect with yourself again.I will probably keep doing some Google search with Reddit for quick finds from time to time, until Fediverse is matured enough and index by search engine. For now I’m happy to be with your guys. Long life to Fediverse.
I assume that once it's a subscription service most of that money will be going to Reddit, so you'd basically be paying for the privilege of not having to use their official app. That's just ghoulish.
Rif kept working throughout a lot of the day yesterday but I finally had a minute yesterday evening, very late, and sat down and launched the app... It worked for a few moments but alas that was only the cached posts. Soon it stopped, for good.
It was very sad uninstalling rif, I can't fathom the obscene amount of hours spent using it, endlessly scrolling my carefully curated subs, be it while pooping, waiting for someone, watching something dumb, or in the middle of the night unable to sleep.
Sigh.
Hey, there's lots of nice people and good magazines and fewer bots and trolls over here, so we'll all be fine.
when I used imgur, before I was active on Reddit, I loved getting upvotes. but on Reddit, it seemed like a bit more of a slog and it wasn't immediately visible, so pretty unimportant to me.
The idea of paying a monthly subscription to use reddit is so off-putting. Maybe if it were a company that I didn't feel so negatively about, I'd consider it.
Based on the prices the Apollo dev was slinging around, I highly doubt Relay will be around even after this guy "figures out" what to charge his users. Unless he's aiming for whales with deep pockets I give it maybe 3-6 months before he also folds. Reddit can also easily move the goal post on Relay, which is inevitable, because Reddit wants people to use thier app.
This is what I'm thinking too. Narwhal is sticking around but once Narwhal 2 comes out it'll be $5-7 per month and more for a user who makes a lot of API calls. If I'm remembering correctly Christian figured it would be close to $10 per month to support Apollo's heavy users without going in the red. That's crazy money to pay for access to Reddit.
Exactly. I want to be empathetic to the dev, after all /u/Spez put them in an awful position. But scabbing for Reddit isn't going to end well. Better to accept that the blow has been dealt, and to move onto the next platform and/or project.
While terrible on so many levels, giving third party developers the boot is, ironically, precisely the best thing you could do for a competitor like the threadiverse since some will inevitably come over here. Experienced developers who know the domain will suddenly be putting that experience to work to make the threadiverse better. Is that really what Reddit wanted?
Guess we're about to find out. Their loss is our gain.
It’s like reddit has a fundamental misunderstanding of what some of their core userbase was there for. We weren’t there to meet people and make connections and lifelong friends. We were there because our brains want constant input but for information and learning, not entertainment. We can have these same discussions with anyone anywhere. It’s not that we’re antisocial, it’s just that “social” for us is interacting in a different way than interactions done for the sake of forming connections, which is what reddit seems to be really pushing people to do. We can have those same discussions with anyone, anywhere.
I don’t know if that makes sense. 😂
Anyway, I’m using wefwef now and as a hardcore Apollo user, it feels like putting on a new pair of the same favorite shoes. It feels a little different, but once they’re broken in they feel just like the old ones.
Well that 's it for me. I blocked Reddit on my PC with UBlock Origin, and the only time I would look at Reddit would be through RIF. I can only hope for an app so good for kbin and the Fediverse.
I just uninstalled it for the first time since I created a Reddit account in 2012, and I'm pretty sure it was the first app I ever paid for. It was always number one in the download list for a new phone. Occasionally I'd fancy a change and try other Reddit apps, but they never lasted more than a few minutes. Give me that clean interface any day. Big thanks to the devs for all the fun over the years.
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