shyguyblue, (edited )

The Nexus One had so many features I miss:

Trackball for scrolling

Notification light built into the trackball with customizable colors depending on the app

Back plate came off, replaceable battery

Small and a one handed wonder, the trackball kept my fingers off the screen

It was a replacement for my jail broken iPhone OG, such a better interface for me than the iPhones and it had very basic multitasking when the other guys could only do one app at a time

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frunch, (edited )

For real, you sold me on that trackball. That sounds like the coolest feature a phone could have, right down to the multi-color led built in beneath it. I really really hope we see a return to something like that! Touch screens are very useful and have their place but physical buttons/controls are usually preferred when done properly. Here’s a pic of the Nexus 1, that trackball indeed appears to be cool as fuck:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b33a6a89-b576-4e09-abfe-75938d2dcf97.jpeg

Enkers, (edited )

Oh hey, it’s my 2nd smartphone ever. How nostalgic! This phone was built like an absolute tank. It really was a great little phone.

That said, the problem with physical controls is that you either need a larger device or smaller screen to accommodate them. For most people, the tradeoff just isn’t worth it.

For a while, I bemoaned the loss of the physical button bar. Having four (!) indicator lights was really useful to boot. Now I happily use gestures with no looking back.

Would be nice to still see some phones offer this for those who want them, though.

Junkers_Klunker,

If they can do holepunch cameras they can do holepunch trackballs. That would be the greatest thing ever 👌

runswithjedi,

I loved my Nexus One, definitely one of my favorite phones ever. I too got one after being tired of Apple’s iOS restrictions and the “you’re holding it wrong” scandal with the iPhone 4.

I still have it in storage and take it out every one in a while. It surprising how small it is and hard to believe that cell phones used to fit in the palm of your hand.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

I thought the digital trackball of the HTC Incredible was cool as shit. It was my favorite phone and I would still be using it today (not as a phone) if it didn’t have a restart bug that HTC refused to acknowledge.

solrize,

Swappable batteries in mobile phones.

Nomad,

The fairphone and pinephonenhave that.

zilla,

Was about to mentioned it. I have the Fp5 and the only thing that i miss is the headphonejack. Everything else is there:

  • battery which can be just swapped
  • expendable storage
  • easy to repair
  • the parts are also reasonably priced
ahornsirup, (edited )
@ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz avatar

Sure, but the Fairphone 5 is €700 and, ease of repair aside, you can get a better phone for less than half the price. Repairability doesn’t mean much when buying a cheaper (and otherwise better) phone and fully replacing it ends up being, well, cheaper.

zilla,

I get your point. But it’s also about support for the phone and the fair production. I know they are not perfect, but someone needs to start somewhere. I needed a new phone anyway and invested in this one.

maxmalrichtig,
@maxmalrichtig@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It will most likely come back due to EU legislation.

randomaccount43543,

Not really. EU legislation is about the right to repair, not about swappable batteries on the run

my_hat_stinks,

How does one safely repair a lithium-ion battery without just swapping it for a working one?

RainfallSonata,

It’s the difference between sitting down for 20 minutes unscrewing various components to get to the damaged battery you need to replace, vs. popping off the back cover and simply swapping out one dead battery for a charged one anytime you run out of power. The former is replaceable. The latter is swappable.

ericisshort, (edited )

This. Like ten years ago, when Samsungs had swappable batteries, they were super proud of it. They would advertise it as a feature that Apple doesn’t have.

When I was at a festival, Samsung had an activation where you could tweet at them with your phone model and location and they would send someone with a full battery to trade you for yours. It was an amazing free service that I used so many times, and every time, the jealousy on the faces of all the iPhone people was palpable. Then one year, they quietly removed the swappability from their new phones.

Swappable batteries are such a huge feature that most people don’t even know that they want.

ifGoingToCrashDont,
bjorney,

The law just means it needs to be replaceable with at most basic tools or specialized tools supplied with the device.

maxmalrichtig,
@maxmalrichtig@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thanks! You are right. “Swapping vs. replacing” is not the same usecase.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe, but swappable =/= replaceable, in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I’m not sure that EU legislation says that phone batteries should be swappable, only replaceable

CleoTheWizard,
@CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

“ Portable batteries incorporated in appliances shall be readily removable and replaceable by the end-user or by independent operators during the lifetime of the appliance, if the batteries have a shorter lifetime than the appliance, or at the latest at the end of the lifetime of the appliance. A battery is readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance, it can be substituted by a similar battery, without affecting the functioning or the performance of that appliance.”

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52020PC0798&qid=1703805580803

So we see here that batteries must be replaceable without affecting the function of the device. Yet waterproofing is important. What seems more likely to me is that batteries need to be replaceable without opening the entire device and therefore destroying liquid protections as per the proposed law. Easiest way to do that would be something similar to a SIM card tray where a hidden button is pressed to release the battery to swap it. The designers would have to go out of their way to make this process difficult, which the EU also doesn’t want, to avoid making them swappable. And that feature is attractive. Knowing Apple though, it’ll be harder on the base models or batteries will cost too much.

n3m37h,

Water proofing isnt a super hard thing to do, compressed rubber works wonders. If they can make a speaker port waterproof while still being able to hear through, I’m sure it’s possible to make a waterproof phone with a removable battery

DoomsdaySprocket,

The snippet “if the batteries have a shorter lifetime than the appliance” worries me. Seems to me that modern engineers are capable of making their crap’s lifespan just barely shorter than the projected batty lifespan, and people might just be stupid enough to still buy it.

I mean, the disposable vape market is an extreme example, but somewhat relevant I think.

That being said, if the processor on the LG G5 had kept up with the market better, I don’t see how that couldn’t have been a starting point.

As for waterproofing, my GoPro stays waterproof but the side door opens to give access to the SD card, battery, etc, so it’s absolutely possible.

Perfide,

Nope, that EU legislation only requires batteries be replaceable, not swappable. In other words, you probably won’t need a heat gun to replace it, but you’ll probably still need a screwdriver.

jaybone,

I miss 1998 and my nokia I could use for self defense.

blanketswithsmallpox,

I see this get talked about a lot.

Almost all my inside phone batteries I’ve had in cheaper knockoff phones have been replaceable. It’s not as easy as pulling the back cover off and instantly swapping it, but it’s not THAT much harder. It’s doesn’t exactly require microsoldering. Which is the reason why I know my last three have been replaceable despite being in-house.

Manufacturers really just need to make better and more secure charge ports. Having to resolder my last two blu phones and a Samsung because the charge ports go bad is just annoying.

Never had issues with a battery in all my years of using smartphones though.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

3.5mm headphone jack

Nomad,

There are often enterprise versions that still have it. Like the S10E for example.

aeki,

I’ve had an S10E for a while and didn’t even know the headphone jacks are no longer the norm!

Azal,

Clinging to my S9+ so hard.

aeki,

I was lucky i found this store that sells second hand devices from big companies that have bought too many? ( dunno how it actually works), but the quality is sometimes fully new, or have been used briefly; much cheaper and older models like my S10E, which I think it’s from 2018.

I tend to break phones rather often unfortunately (very clumsy, small hands and lack of pockets) so I want to have something like this still available. I do use screen and case protectors and all that. It still lands on the floor quite often :/

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Yes, and I’m thinking my next phone will be one of those.

I have a much better time with wired earbuds than with bluetooth.

lemann,

Forgot my bluetooth headphones the other day on a long trip and the 3.5mm jack saved my rear end.

Just needed to stop at a shop briefly for some cheap plug-in buds and I was no longer listening to babies screaming on the journey. As a bonus, it also didn’t interfere with me charging my phone

LinkOpensChest_wav,

I’d like bluetooth earbuds a lot more if I could find some that aren’t “smart.” If I put on a beanie, I bump them. If I remove one earbud to converse, I bump it. I’ve not once intentionally used a gesture-based control on an earbud for anything else other than undoing the situation I’ve caused by bumping them. Otherwise, I control everything with my phone. If I’m working out, I just select my playlist, mute notifications, and I don’t have to touch anything after that. Gesture-based earbuds are not for me.

I really don’t think there are dumb bluetooth earbuds, though. At least, I haven’t been able to find any.

zip,

I have the Samsung Galaxy Buds Plus and their app has an option to disable touches, so that’s what I do, because I’m the same as you. I bought them used and have been using them on a daily basis for at least three years and they’re still working well. Might be something to look into. I hope you find something that works for you!

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Oh, that sounds promising! I’ll look into it, thanks.

smorgishborg,

Could always get one of the beanies that have bluetooth speakers in 'em. It’ll solve your problem of bumping your earbuds, (though not through a necessarily “good” option). Or, you could use the wired bluetooth headphones like these.

As another alternative, there’s the apple airpods, which, as far as I can tell, have not gestures but some weird-ass pseudo capacitive button that makes a sound when you press them. I did just realize though, that if you have an apple device they’ll automatically pause playback when you take a headphone out (I think), so that may not be your cup of tea. However, if you have an Android, this addition won’t work unless you have an app like CAPods (which you can turn on or off in the app, so no worries there). There’s also the downside of not having access to many features like toggling through the different modes (active noise canceling or whatever other bullshit like that), not being able to natively see the battery of the case or earbuds (though, like with the aforementioned feature, using an app like CAPods you can see it), and some others that I can’t recall at the moment.

Sorry about the length of this reply, I was originally just going to mention the bluetooth beanies as a joke, but I have nothing else to do at the moment, so why not share my experiences? Anywho, that’s my two cents, this could help, it could be utterly useless, you could already know all of this, you may not even read the wall of text, etc. etc… Do as you will with this.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

You don’t happen to know if there’s some open-source software for Android that might be similar to CAPods? Tbh I’m probably never going to buy either airpods or the brand-name Samsung ones, but I’d imagine there might be a more universal solution?

smorgishborg,

Yeah, I don’t actually recommend buying airpods unless you got them for free if you’re an Android user (that’s the only reason I’m using airpods atm).

As to open source, I believe CAPods is, unless you’re referring to an open source app for most headphones (which upon second thought you probably are).

As to that question, CAPods, according to their GitHub page, supports a few Beats devices, this app for Galaxy Buds on Windows/Linux devices, and this one for Huawei Freebuds device(s?).

Overall, the closest I could find was GadgetBridge, which has support (partial or full) for a few Samsung devices, one Nothing, a few Sony, and Bose(?), though, I did keep running into internal server errors, so it might be out of date.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

That’s a good link though. Maybe I can get some cheap used beats or airpods.

New ones are too expensive though, ya

Perfide,

I have a pair of cheap Skullcandy’s that have physical buttons instead of touch sensors. The buttons are basically impossible to use without smooshing the earbud into your ear trying to click it, but it also means it’s really hard to accidentally click them. Probably as close as you can get to dumb Bluetooth earbuds.

Perfide,

Not really, it’s mostly only budget phones that have it nowadays. The S10E(which stands for ‘essential’ btw, not ‘enterprise’) is almost 5 years old, not exactly representative of the modern phone market.

state_electrician,

People keep going on about that and I get it from the point of not having to charge headphones all the time. But to me that is a very mild inconvenience compared to having to deal with those fucking cables all the time. I hate cables so damn much.

Mog_fanatic,

Here’s the crazy thing tho… You could just not use it and choose to use blue tooth still.

state_electrician,

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a port, just saying that I really don’t see the value.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

For me I’m just very attached to my earphones. I had tried out different earphones for a long time when I was younger before I discovered these and I’ve been using them for over 8 years now. I don’t really want to switch to a different pair of earphones.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Oh, my problem isn’t with charging them. They actually hold a charge for a super long time.

I’d like bluetooth earbuds a lot more if I could find some that aren’t “smart.” If I put on a beanie, I bump them. If I remove one earbud to converse, I bump it. I’ve not once intentionally used a gesture-based control on an earbud for anything else other than undoing the situation I’ve caused by bumping them. Otherwise, I control everything with my phone. If I’m working out, I just select my playlist, mute notifications, and I don’t have to touch anything after that. Gesture-based earbuds are not for me.

I really don’t think there are dumb bluetooth earbuds, though. At least, I haven’t been able to find any.

And I don’t mind cables as much as you do. I think my favorite earbuds would be those that are connected to each other by a cable, but again – only if they were not smart.

Person264,

You can turn off the touch controls on Samsung Galaxy Bud Pros, maybe the other galaxy bud models too

wildginger, (edited )

For most of these, turning off touch controls means that when you accidentally trigger the touch commands, it plays a little jingle and pushes a notification telling you that youve disabled touch controls and you need to reenable them.

Completely defeating the fucking point of turning off touch controls, and making me want to wrap my hands around the throat of the idiot who designed that

Person264, (edited )

On my buds if I turn on “block touches” and I touch them nothing happens, no jingle or notification. But yeah that does sound like a stupid feature

LinkOpensChest_wav,

I’ll look into it. The only bluetooth earbuds I currently have are an off brand called SYNRGY. Maybe there’s some setting that I’m not aware of to disable touch controls too. I’ve also considered applying a few coats of clear nail polish. Maybe that would work?

I actually don’t know anyone who has the official Samsung ones.

clearleaf,

This might sound crazy but apple earbuds would be good for you. I actually like having pause and skip buttons, and apparently these do have controls when you touch them, but that’s never worked for me. I think it’s intentionally broken on android which in your case makes them good.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

They’re grossly overpriced, though. I’d never buy them.

clearleaf,

You can get them used thanks to apple fanboys inherent need to get the newest version. There’s lots out there due to that. But I get it if you don’t like the idea of used headphones.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

I don’t mind, actually. Rubbing alcohol covers a multitude of evils.

I’ll look into it.

lightnsfw,

Not sure what brand you have but mine you can turn off the functions on the buttons in the app.

lightnsfw,

It’s more than just having to charge them I wouldn’t even really consider that much of a downside with how long they last. I haven’t yet ran out of charge before I was ready to take mine out. The actual downsides are- Wireless earbuds are expensive. The batteries in them wear out over time and you have to buy all new ones which is wasteful. Bluetooth adds a noticeable delay that sucks when watching video. My car doesn’t have bluetooth so I need a headphone jack for AUX. I have both and like wireless ones when I’m on the go but if I’m stationary wired don’t cause any problems.

Blue_Morpho,

Get a dongle. Get several. Stick them on the ends of all your headphones and aux cables and forget that you don’t have a headphone jack on your phone.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

I do have one. That’s how I listen to music in my old ass car XD

But still I wish they’d just never removed something that was so useful and immediately accessible to everyone

idunnololz, (edited )
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

I have like 5. It still doesn’t make it less inconvenient. I use my earphones for my laptop for work and my phone when I’m commuting so I have to attach the dongle, plug it into my phone, get to work, unplug the dongle plug it in the laptop and do the whole process again when I go home and repeat every day. It’s a pain. Not to mention the occasional times where you want to charge your phone while you’re listening to music.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Oh that charging thing is a major pain when we have to take a roadtrip. Whoever came up with the cloaca design for phones really did not think things through.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

I believe they sell splitters but they are harder to find and larger.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

My Note 9 still has it!

WAVES OLD MAN CANE AROUND THREATENINGLY

LinkOpensChest_wav,

First smartphone I had is still my favorite. Motorola Droid. I still have it!

The battery life is hell, though

Zekas,

This going away has just make the Tiktok tide that much more horrendous. I work in a school. The hallways are nothing but that horrid shit blasting out of hundreds of bad speakers.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

My condolences. I stress out the moment a child thrusts a phone in front of me to watch a “funny” video

I can only imagine the hellscape that is your school

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t think it’d still be the same even with the headphone jack still there? Wireless headphones and converters for wired headphones do exist, they just don’t care.

Krukenberg,

The newest Asus zenfone is still rocking it!

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