JusticeForPorygon,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

IDK if it’s that or just the fact that there’s both a lot of us and a great sense of nationalism instilled in us from a very young age. I’ve been to Mt. Rushmore twice. Only recently did I learn about how it was a sacred site to the native people that we promised to leave alone, before stealing it and blowing it to hell.

What I’m getting at is that we’re taught that America is the greatest nation on the planet, and we’re encouraged to be loud about that statement. So when a certain group of people in the government who are also very loud about their beliefs start saying some things that might sound completely bonkers to a foreigner, a lot of people find themselves agreeing purely because they like the attitude of the people talking.

kent_eh,

Visiting Rushmore as a non-American is even weirder than you imagine.

The levels of over the top blatantly performative “patriotism” is quite bizarre to be surrounded by.

And the suspicious looks we got for not participating enthusiastically was discomforting (no, I’m not going to recite a pledge of allegiance to your country. Why would you expect me to?)

captainlezbian,

Yeah sorry about that. They’re similarly awful to live near.

And the reality is Mt Rushmore is mostly going to be visited by people like that and foreigners. Mt Rushmore is one of the principal sacred sites of the American civil religion. Treat them like religious pilgrims because they kinda were, but they don’t even realize it. The pledge of allegiance is a prayer to adherents.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

You think brainwashing may have something to do with it?

JusticeForPorygon,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah that’s essentially what I wanted to describe.

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. Definitely brainwashing.

jabathekek,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

I would say people in countries with poor or non-existent public education are more prone. The USA’s public education system was eviscerated in the 70’s I think.

TropicalDingdong,

I would say people in countries with poor or non-existent public education are more prone. The USA’s public education system was eviscerated in the 70’s I think.

As early as the 60s, but really the 80s. Through the 70s US had some of the best public education on the planet. The move to privatize education started in earnest under Reagan (in California, as governor), and then further under Reagan (and every president and congress to now).

Specifically:

• calling for an end to free tuition for state college and university students

• annually demanding 20 percent across-the-board cuts in higher education funding

• repeatedly slashing construction funds for state campuses

• engineering the firing of Clark Kerr, the highly respected president of the University of California

• declaring that the state “should not subsidize intellectual curiosity”

files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ684842.pdf

tdawg,

How the fuck do you come to the conclusion that you’re spending too much money on education

ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

With Reagan, it was because Republicans at the time thought there would be too many educated poor people. One of his advisors (Roger Freeman) said:

“We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat…That’s dynamite! We have to be selective on who we allow [to go to college]…If not, we will have a large number of highly trained and unemployed people.”

He was basically worried about a revolution because of it.

Source: theintercept.com/…/student-loans-debt-reagan/

There’s other sources if you don’t like the Intercept.

satanmat,

Easy

They are talking at the dinner table about doing things that are against my self interest. I don’t want those damn kids learning that. Therefore cut education

Rather that you know the market place of ideas that I espouse; as long as they match what I believe.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Just look at the GOP. They repeat garbage until their pawns believe it.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Well, you see, it was educate 10,000 people or build another fighter jet.

homesweethomeMrL,

R E A G A N.

The Trump era began by ripping out the solar panels on the White House and tricking blue collars into voting against themselves.

It was, and is, fucking awful.

captainlezbian,

That last one hits hard. The state must subsidize intellectual curiosity. Intellectual curiosity gave us everything from electricity to modern governmental theory to the mathematics that would later turn out to allow wireless communications. Curiosity without a point is extremely valuable.

And it should be noted that even in late medieval Europe the state funded intellectual curiosity. The nobility were the state and many either were curious themselves or would patronize intellectuals

anarchy79,
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And people look at that and say, sure, I’ll vote for this guy.

It’s a self perpetuating spiral to hell.

watson387,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

By design. It’s a lot easier to fleece stupid people.

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