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Ascend-910, in Why are gnome devs like this?
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Me: * Get popcorn and hop into the comment section *

Ascend-910, in Audacity 3.4 Released with Music Workflows, New Exporter, and More
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please use Tenacity

3arn0wl,

Is there a fork of MuseScore too (the same devs, I think)?

Ascend-910,
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I am not sure, would you post the repo for me, please?

3arn0wl,
Ascend-910,
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nice :)

Ascend-910, in Audacity 3.4 Released with Music Workflows, New Exporter, and More
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please use Tenacity

Kusimulkku, in Why are gnome devs like this?

While I’ve chuckled at how Gnome devs do things, it can’t be fun being that guy considering how big of a hate boner /g/ has for him

Moxvallix, in Why are gnome devs like this?
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This is honestly really sad. I really don’t get the hostility towards Gnome and it’s devs.

Gnome is certainly quite opinionated, and isn’t to everyone’s tastes, but this doesn’t make it ok for memes like this (a pretty shit meme regardless).

Gnome has done a lot for the linux ecosystem, and Gnome developers don’t owe you anything.

Grow up.

Virkkunen,
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Found the gnome developer

Moxvallix,
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Ha yeah sure. Haven’t used Gnome in over 3 years, daily drive KDE. Just happen to not be 12.

levir77987,

They have only made the linux “ecosystem” worse by being hostile to other desktop environments

mintycactus,
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What do you mean ‘hostile to other’?

neurospice,

What even is this take? How have they made the ecosystem “worse”? It just sounds like YOU have a problem with them for no good reason.

MaxPower, in Why are gnome devs like this?

Why? Because most are working for free and don’t have time for BS. Let’s be serious, the amount of BS or low-effort tickets is high.

When an unpaid dev is sacrificing free time improving or fixing GNOME tickets better be well-written.

Having said that, closing well-written and well-reasoned tickets “just like that” and willy-nilly is ofc not OK either.

Kusimulkku,

Should probably read the ticket first

levir77987,

There are gnome devs paid to work full time. The most notorious dev stirring up drama (ebassi) is one of them.

deadcream,

Low effort tickets are ignored because they are bullshit.

High effort tickets are ignored because devs are lazy and can't be bothered to deal with complex and boring issues.

Well, at least that's how I roll as an open source developer lol.

konsumate, in Audacity 3.4 Released with Music Workflows, New Exporter, and More

The oss community forked it into ’ tenacity’ after audacity went into spyware mode

makingStuffForFun,
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IKR. Why are we even covering news about audacity releases anymore?

taanegl,

Dunno, but I kind of feel this is an opener to promote commercial software on Linux, since the Muse team can suck it.

You’ve got:

All of them have premium prices, but not a single one of them freemium, or always-online, meaning you get what you pay for and what you pay for is high quality software.

Presonus if you need a pro tracker, or even the chance at mixing Atmos on Linux (though the hardware needs to be supported OS-side of things).

Mixbus 32C is cool, because it’s EQ’s and compressors are analogue modelled after their classic console. They got that real nice vintage sound.

Bitwig is basically a mixer/sequencer DAW, meant for electronic music and live performances.

Now if only Ableton Live could be ported to Linux :( pretty please?

dylanTheDeveloper,
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Wait what information does audacity collect when your using it?

mateomaui, in Why are gnome devs like this?

cum frappuccinos

I’ll be leaving the office too.

Haus,
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I hope this is cubic meters...

spez, in Why are gnome devs like this?

this community’s and !linuxmemes’s reaction to the same meme are totally different.

levir77987,

Similar to reddit’s linux subreddit, red hat employees have probably become moderators here

aport,

Probably because one is for memes and the other isn’t

30p87, in Why are gnome devs like this?

*Microsoft devs

Now, seriously. Microsoft’s devs literally only do something if their boss tells them to, and the boss only cares about money. The support teams only know chkdsk and reboot.

levir77987,

Yeah, paid by microsoft to sabotage the linux desktop

magic_lobster_party,

On the topic of Microsoft support, I hate how useless support boards are. They’re always responding with the same template answers describing the exact steps the asker clearly stated they’ve already done with no results. Microsoft is far from alone in this, but I just wanted to rant a bit.

levir77987, in Audacity 3.4 Released with Music Workflows, New Exporter, and More

Spyware

Presi300, in Are there any downsides to using Homebrew as a package manager on Linux?
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…why would you use homebrew on linux?

You already use an arch container that has access to the AUR, which has literally every package, available on linux.

Also, if anything, flatpaks are THE official (universal) packaging format for Linux, it’s the most widely adopted and most well integrated of the universal packaging formats. I’m not saying that homebrew is bad, just why bother with it when you’ve got 100 other packaging formats that are all better…

alt,

You already use an arch container that has access to the AUR, which has literally every package, available on linux.

Call me paranoid if you will.

if anything, flatpaks are THE official (universal) packaging format for Linux

I don’t deny that, I make good use of a ton of flatpaks on my system. I also believe that it’s the best we have. And I would literally switch to Brave as a flatpak if it would satisfy the following:

  • Be official and thus maintained by Brave itself.
  • Not having to forego its own more powerful sandbox due to (hopefully) current restrictions of Flatpak. Yes, you read that correctly; while flatpaks are arguably the safest way to consume most applications, this doesn’t apply to apps that actually have stronger sandboxes which had to be ‘slimmed down’ when packaged as a flatpak. Thus, currently, for maximum protection, one simply can’t rely on flatpaks for their Chromium-based browsers. If you choose to do so and it has worked out for you wonderfully; that’s awesome, I’ve been there and enjoyed the experience as well. But, I can’t justify it for myself any longer.
Pantherina,

Officially supported doesnt mean its more stable. They can just take binaries, add dependenciesy tadaa.

Bubblewrap is not insecure. But I am not an expert

alt,

Officially supported doesnt mean its more stable.

Never implied that anyways. Official merely ensures that the amount of trusted parties can be minimized.

Bubblewrap is not insecure.

Bubblewrap, when properly applied is indeed excellent; perhaps the best utility to sandbox applications on Linux. I’m thankful that flatpaks makes use of bubblewrap, namespaces and seccomp to offer relatively safe/secure apps/binaries, I’m unaware of any other ‘(universal) package manager’ within the Linux-space that offers similar feats in that regard. Unfortunately, Chromium-based browsers just happen to have an even stronger sandbox -if properly configured- than flatpaks are currently capable of.

Pantherina,

Okay true. I am not so much into this Browser sandbox thing and dont really get it. Its a different way than bubblewrap, as from Firefox RPM for example I can open any file and save anywhere. But its process isolation right?

alt,

as from Firefox RPM for example I can open any file and save anywhere. But its process isolation right?

For Firefox, the verdict on its native sandbox vs Flatpak’s native sandbox doesn’t seem conclusive. With -assumingly- knowledgeable peeps on both sides of the argument, which indeed does raise the question how knowledgeable they actually are. Nonetheless, for myself, I’ve accepted Flatpak’s sandbox to not be inferior to Firefox’ native one. Thus, I don’t see any problem with using its flatpak.

Pantherina,

Apart from having all the nice KDE integration and things like Keepass integration, Fido2 keys, drag and drop and some more things…

Also afaik the Fedora Firefox has a good SELinux profile and it runs damn fast. I did a speed test and it was best, along with Mozillas all-together-binary.

alt,

Apart from having all the nice KDE integration

I’m a sucker for GNOME :P , but I’ll keep it in mind.

things like Keepass integration

The flatpak does allow integration, but isn’t built-in unfortunately; so one has to fiddle a bit themselves to set it up.

Fido2 keys

I should rely more on those. Do you have any recommendations? I’ve been hearing good things about Nitropad and Yubico, but I honestly don’t know if they’re actually good and how they would fare amongst eachother.

drag and drop

Overrated anyways /s :P .

Also afaik the Fedora Firefox has a good SELinux profile

It’s probably better configured with the native package than the flatpak one indeed. I wonder if this will change as Fedora is interested to ship Firefox as a flatpak by default on Silverblue (and variants).

it runs damn fast. I did a speed test and it was best

I haven’t had the best internet speeds since I’ve been relying on free VPN. But that’s on me :P .

Pantherina,

Fedora packages a Flatpak Firefox themselves, based off the RPM. So its good too, but lacks codecs with currently no way to enable them so yeah. They would need am extension of some sort hosted on Flathub. So simply using Firefox Flatpak from Flathub makes more sense.

I got a Nitrokey for Heads but for some reason it never arrived? I can say these things are very expensive. And Heads uses PGP and not others.

alt,

I somehow forgot that Fedora also had Firefox in their flatpak repos.

I got a Nitrokey for Heads

You know what’s good, fam.

but for some reason it never arrived

That’s messed up, though.

Presi300,
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I rely on flatpaks for all non-firefox browsers and haven’t had any issues with them, I’ve used the brave flatpaks specifically for almost a year now and no issues…

alt,

I think I already addressed that point with

If you choose to do so and it has worked out for you wonderfully; that’s awesome, I’ve been there and enjoyed the experience as well. But, I can’t justify it for myself any longer.

If you meant something else, then please feel free to correct me.

zwekihoyy,

it’s still factual that flatpaks sandbox is weak by default, especially compared to what chromium provides on its own.

AProfessional,

The web process sandboxing is basically the same inside and outside of flatpak.

alt,

Would you mind elaborating? First time hearing this and a quick search didn’t resolve it.

AProfessional,

github.com/refi64/zypak

It lets Chromium use flatpak sub-sandboxes and is basically identical to its normal sandbox in terms of permissions.

alt,

I am thankful that zypak exists so that Chromium-based browsers and Electron apps don’t have to explicitly flag –no-sandbox to continue functioning. However, it doesn’t undermine the fact that native Chromium’s sandbox is more powerful than Flatpak’s sandbox. As such, if one desires security, then one should gravitate towards the native installed one.

It lets Chromium use flatpak sub-sandboxes

Are you sure that’s the case?

AProfessional,

The sandbox is not weakened meaningfully. It’s in a different namespace, no filesystem, no network, no GPU, seccomp rules still applied.

alt, (edited )

Unfortunately, you didn’t -to my knowledge- support nor retract your claim on Chromium using flatpak sub-sandboxes. Therefore, I find it hard to continue taking your words at face value.

I have enjoyed these interactions, so don’t get me wrong; but if I (possibly) catch you on spreading misinformation (even if unintentional), then I find it hard to keep engagement up as there’s no guarantee that anything else coming from you is actually correct.

I would love to be corrected on this though, so please feel free if I have misunderstood you or anything else that would revive this conversation. If not, then I would still like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this friendly interaction we’ve had. Take care!

AProfessional, (edited )

I linked the source but sure, I’ll link it more for you.

The portal code is here: github.com/refi64/zypak/…/flatpak_portal_proxy.h

The actual code that Chromium calls is here: github.com/refi64/zypak/blob/…/spawn_latest.cc#L2…

This calls the org.freedesktop.portal.Flatpak service.

This service is here: github.com/flatpak/flatpak/tree/main/portal

The Spawn method creates a new sandbox completely isolated from the originating sandbox.

alt,

I linked the source but sure, I’ll link it more for you.

I am aware, but the same source seemingly contradicted your point^[1]^ regarding sub-sandboxing.

Wow, thanks a lot for the work you’ve put into this! It might take some time for me to go through this, but I’ll definitely take a look and perhaps I’ll return on this at a later point. Perhaps with this I will finally be able to install my Chromium-based browsers as a flatpak and don’t feel bad about it.

Once again, your engagement has been much appreciated! So please feel free to let me know if I can buy you a coffee or something 😊! Unfortunately, statements like “Thank you so much!” don’t quite capture the sheer magnitude of gratitude I feel towards you right now. For whatever it’s worth; I salute you, good human.


  1. “It lets Chromium use flatpak sub-sandboxes” that you expressed in this comment.
AProfessional,

The comment on there is odd, I’m not even sure what that issue is referring to. Not much exciting happened in that release for new features but there were subsandbox security fixes github.com/flatpak/flatpak/…/1.10.8...1.12.0

alt,

Thanks for taking the time to take a proper look at the link!

authed, in Audacity 3.4 Released with Music Workflows, New Exporter, and More

just use OcenAudio

agitated_judge, in Are there any downsides to using Homebrew as a package manager on Linux?

Last time I checked, homebrew on Linux only included cli apps. GUI apps are only available on mac. So you couldn’t use it to install a browser anyway.

alt,

Unfortunate. Thanks for the headsup :D !

Adalast, in Gamedev and linux

A. If you haven’t played ΔV, do it. One of the most amazing games out there imho. So good in fact that I just went to find a Δ on the internet so I could use it and not disrespect the dev and the game. B. He is such an amazing dude. I don’t know him personally, but I do know that when Ukraine was invaded he made the game free for months on Steam so people in Ukraine could get it and have something too distract themselves from the conflict. A+ move in my book right there. I had already bought the game at that point, but I wish I could buy it again just to support him further. C. Reading this almost makes me think it would be a good tactical move to offer early access games at a steep discount on Linux if it has this great of an effect. Pay back the “free” QA kindness of the community.

Makussu,

You know what? I will buy it again for you right now!

lambda,
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Imagine saying all that and not linking it 😏

I got you fam. store.steampowered.com/app/…/V_Rings_of_Saturn/

Adalast,

Lol, thanks. It was late.

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