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Jumuta, in What devices run with free firmware?

libreboot.org/docs/hardware/

also iirc starbook/system76 also does coreboot support

GnomeComedy, in Fedora or Mint for noob?

Have them check with their University if they do any Linux support. If they do - use one of the distros they support so they might possibly have KB articles about accessing University recourses from Linux.

Source: am Linux admin at a University that writes such documentation. I have seen exactly the Eduroam issue you mention and came up with an Ubuntu workaround for example.

netchami, in This week in KDE: Plasma 6 Alpha approaches

So hyped for Plasma 6

0x4E4F, (edited ) in What devices run with free firmware?

ThinkPads have some sort of an open source replacement I think…

generic,
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Some ThinkPads. I have coreboot on my T430, but I don’t think my X270 can run it.

Caravaggio, in What has been your experience with Flatpak?

What’s your long-term experience?

Excellent. After uninstalling it never comes back.

alt, in What devices run with free firmware?

Besides the already mentioned Star Labs and System76, there’s also Insurgo, Nitropad and NovaCustom.

As for an exhaustive list on the matter, unfortunately, I don’t think something like that is out there. Though both Canoeboot (formerly known as Libreboot) and Dasharo do have their own respective lists.

Pantherina, (edited )

I just got myself a Clevo NV41MZ, supported by Dasharo! Lets see if this machine would like to boot my damn usb sticks XD

alt, (edited )

Hehe :P , consider to keep us updated on how it goes ;) !

Clevo MZ41

Would that be the Clevo model that NovaCustom’s NV41 Series is ‘based’ on?

Pantherina,

Yes, model names, its a NV41MZ. Very rare to find actually and an older model than novacustoms.

So far, the build quality… they saved on material. Keyboard and chassis are very cheap. I wish I could swap in my Thinkpad keyboard, would probably be possible.

alt,

It’s unfortunate to hear that; with the chassis being my biggest concern as I don’t think you would be able to find suitable replacement for that. As for the keyboard, perhaps an affordable and portable external keyboard might help you with that.

Pantherina,

The keyboard is okaaay. I will post a review of the laptop soon. I am simply very spoiled by my Thinkpad.

I am not sure what material the chassis is, top around the keyboard is like metal, the screen thing too, meanwhile when opening it up you can see the metallic spray paint inside?

It is easy to open, not sure how easy to find spare parts but everything is very well removable. I think modern Thinkpad keyboards are the best ones ever, one could get a usb variant and wire somehow inside.

Or you would need an arduino board, a custom mini firmware and all, just to translate the different keyboards. But that was “random keyboard to usb”, and not “random keyboard to random keyboard”.

Man it would be great if you could just swap keyboards

alt, (edited )

spare parts

It seems NovaCustoms offer some spareparts. I wonder if the ones not explicitly stating NV4xMZ can be used on your device as well.

Pantherina,

Thanks, true! The people from Novacustom are very nice.

alt,

Thanks, true!

😉

The people from Novacustom are very nice.

Agreed. They definitely are.

Pantherina,

No the NV41MZ for example has no numpad. Its the compact 14in model which I would always choose for my tasks. Maybe not all, but it was the only clevo on like all Europes Ebay. Literally shipped it in from Great Britain

alt,

No the NV41MZ for example has no numpad.

That’s unfortunate.

but it was the only clevo on like all Europes Ebay. Literally shipped it in from Great Britain

Honestly, I haven’t done a lot of business on Ebay. So, I don’t know a lot on how much cheaper you might get devices from there. Though, I wonder if it’s a lot cheaper than say this device.

Pantherina,

Damn good find! Not expensive, about double the price I paid but still very reasonable.

Very funny, they have a Tux bootsplash logo in their Bios??

And the BIOS really is great, I will miss that on Coreboot I guess. But all the necessary features should be there.

alt,

Damn good find! Not expensive, about double the price I paid but still very reasonable.

Oh lol, that’s a considerable difference. Though I suppose the Intel CPUs on your device probably aren’t 12th gen?

they have a Tux bootsplash logo in their Bios??

Who offers that :P ? Did I somehow miss that?

And the BIOS really is great, I will miss that on Coreboot I guess. But all the necessary features should be there.

coreboot FTW!

scytale,

The starlabs one is actually pretty interesting. Too bad the keyboard is not included in the price and costs extra.

gears,

Canoeboot is more of a sister to libreboot than a replacement

libreboot.org/news/canoeboot.html

alt,

Thanks for the correction!

MonkderZweite,

Canoeboot is engineered to a high standard, basing off of each Libreboot release, but you should still use Libreboot. Canoeboot is only a proof of concept.

libreboot.org/news/policy.html

AnUnusualRelic, in What devices run with free firmware?
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The disks still have proprietary firmware, as do several other components though.

Catsrules,

I bet that wireless mouse probably has some code in it.

nxdefiant,

If you’re using an active thunderbolt cable, you wire has proprietary code in it.

smileyhead,

But it’s a closed device with the firmware not being for user to replace.

While BIOS can be updated without opening the computer. Or many WiFi cards require you to load a firmware on them upon boot.

So firmware in the disk is more of a right-to-repair problem rather than free/nonfree software

Secret300, in What distro for a MacBook pro late 2013 15'

Fedora’s my personal preference. They have a KDE spin

RyeMan, in What devices run with free firmware?

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  • compiled_lemmite,

    As of Debian 12, non-free firmware is enabled by default

    alt,

    What’s MOBO?

    SaltySalamander,
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    Shorthand for motherboard

    alt,

    Thank you!

    FQQD, in What devices run with free firmware?

    honestly… why? i really get why open source software is great, but there’s no benefit in replacing the bios, right?

    Shrexios,
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    @FQQD @p_q if you want that hardware to support something the manufacturer will not support, open source bios can be useful.

    thantik,

    There can be. There are certainly Bios’ that don’t give options that motherboards are perfectly capable of changing. I had an old Phenom II that I managed to patch NVME support into the bios so I could boot off of a PCIe Riser.

    Granted, I was patching UEFI stuff and none of it was open source – but the idea is the same. Open source bios in theory, could unlock features.

    alt, (edited )

    Star Labs’ take on the matter.

    Furthermore, if one is sensitive regarding their cybersecurity, then one is likely to adhere to the zero trust security model and thus choose to simply not trust; which would include the closed source BIOS. coreboot, on the other hand, at least allows one to audit it themselves. As Linus Torvalds has been approached for implementing backdoors, it should surprise nobody that (some) of the vendors we buy our devices from have been as well and thus our BIOSes might not have been as safe as one would like to believe. Qubes OS, the most secure OS on desktop, shares the view that coreboot is preferred over closed source BIOSes due to reasons related to trust.

    MooseBoys,

    It seems silly to be distrustful of proprietary BIOS firmware without having the same skepticism of the actual hardware.

    alt,

    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Though, this shouldn’t stop one to pick their fights and savor the wins. The defeatist mentality is our biggest enemy, we will not be victorious in the end if we don’t resist.

    Let’s hope an excellent implementation of RISC-V with eye for open-source, processing power, efficiency and affordability comes out so that we’re not limited to the expensive (but otherwise excellent) Talos II by Raptor Computing Systems.

    recarsion, in What has been your experience with Flatpak?

    I avoid it like the plague. It’s fat and slow, and the Arch repos + the AUR have just about everything anyway (I use Arch btw, in case you’re wondering). I’ll sooner build from source than touch anything flatpak.

    EddoWagt,

    It’s fat and slow

    With modern hardware neither of those really are an issue. You can get a 1 TB nvme ssd for €50 and 2 TB for less than a 100. That should lend you plenty of storage and speed

    recarsion,

    I still find it noticeable 🤷 I do have an nvme ssd, and while 50 eur is negligible to you or me, not everyone is so lucky, + there’s no reason to create e-waste when your older hardware is working fine.

    Presi300,
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    AUR can be an unstable mess at times (yes, it’s very convenient, but it has flaws and arch isn’t the only distro out there. Also the space argument just makes no sense, yes the 1st time you download a flatpak, it downloads like 1~2GB of dependencies, but after that all other flatpaks use said dependencies and are a fraction of the size. So ironically, flatpaks end up using less space than AUR packages, if you don’t clean out their cache…

    recarsion, (edited )

    Yeah I’m always wary of what I install from the AUR, never more than 1 or 2 packages on any given system. But a surprising amount of stuff can be found even in the main arch repos, so the AUR is rarely necessary.

    Pantherina,

    There are too many, especially outdated runtimes in use. That is a problem. I have like 7GB of runtimes, somewhere a year ago when I roughly counted it.

    Presi300,
    @Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

    flatpak remove --unused

    Pantherina,

    All in use by like one app. Sorted them 100 times, still some need it and I need the app

    lemann, in What devices run with free firmware?

    Check out Pine64, however they only develop Arm and RISC-V devices, not x86.

    fireshell, in What devices run with free firmware?
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    Lenovo G505S 16gb RAM - no (the A10-5750M processor has neither Intel ME nor AMD PSP), software probes - too, if instead of the closed UEFI from the manufacturer you install the open source BIOS coreboot+SeaBIOS: it will contain only a few small closed binaries , they were all dismantled and no backdoors were found. Someone made a script in which by rolling back 1% of the last commits (made after deleting the G505S) you can return AMD boards to coreboot - review.coreboot.org/c/coreboot/+/76832. You can install the AR9462 module, whose ath9k family WiFi is 100% open source.

    lemann,

    Saving this, thanks for sharing!

    kugmo,
    @kugmo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    nice i’ll have to try this out, what hardware did you use to flash it?

    fireshell, (edited )
    @fireshell@lemmy.world avatar

    Try to build Coreboot on Lenovo G505S using the restore_agesa.sh script in conjunction with the csb_patcher script, which applies a group of unofficial patches for AMD platforms

    andruid, in OpenELA makes Enterprise Linux source available

    The title “Makes EL source available” made me very frustrated for a second lol

    This is good news, I am glad they have officially released FOSS code for EL and not, which I thought I read, them moving from a FOSS license to a source available license.

    pastermil, in What devices run with free firmware?

    Just get a 20 or 30 series Thinkpad that has no nvidia GPU, and flash coreboot on it.

    No, you cannot get 100% free firmware these days, but you can get something close this way.

    possiblylinux127,

    You can indeed get free firmware, it just is on older devices

    cloud,

    yes you can, read other comments

    pastermil,

    Read my other comment

    TheyCallMeHacked,

    I mean… Depends what you mean by 100% free firmware… If you mean only the boot firmware, that’s the case for PCs like the ThinkPads T400, T500, R500, W500, X200, as well as the Dell Latitude E6400. Note Libreboot even recommends the latter for new full libre buys, as it can be software-flashed without disassembly.

    But if you mean 100% free including EC firmware, wireless firmware, and disk firmware, then this will probably never happen, or at least not until a very very long time.

    pastermil,

    What I’m trying to say is that it’s an uphill battle, arguably pointless too.

    Before going with the current 30 series, I was using X200 and X60. They’re both good machines, don’t get me wrong. However, their age shows when trying to do modern tasks, even something as simple as web browsing.

    The X60 doesn’t even have the hardware acceleration capability for my usual KDE setup. By the way, you’d be stuck with DDR2.

    The X200 is much more capable than X60, but try to browse most modern sites and you’ll feel the machine getting hot. You could turn off javascript, but then you’ll be missing quite a bit of functionalities. I definitely wouldn’t run VSCodium on it for work. I’m currently using this one as a testbed for distrohopping.

    To me, the 30 series is a sweet spot. The Ivy bridge is not too old for demanding computations of modern days. If you opt for the highest tier i7, you could beat a lot of the average ones from the following generations. If you don’t get the processor you want, you can always replace it since it’s socketed, at least for my W530, which should apply for T430 &T530 (not X230).

    You might want to ask yourself: what are you trying to achieve, and more importantly, how can you measure what you’ve actually achieved? No, blindly following online articles is not a good measurement.

    I found out later on that I had no way of actually verifying anything with libreboot. The build system is a pain in the neck to follow thru. I then tried doing it with coreboot upstream, and my experience building with it was much better. Even with it, I wouldn’t have the chance to look thru every line of code, I still need to just “trust” somebody.

    You can definitely play around, but if that’s all you do, you’d be asking yourself why you did all that when you get bored.

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