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drwho, in Random application segfaults on Arch

Are you keeping an eye on system temperature?

NoisyFlake,

Yeah, temperatures are usually between 40-50 °C, so that should be fine.

drwho,

Yeah, that should be fine.

Anything in the kernel message buffer? dmesg -T | less

NoisyFlake,

I’m not sure, here’s the entire dmesg output: pastebin.com/MZfhB0xK

drwho,

I’m not seeing anything relevant to lockups or crashes in there. Pretty boring logs.

drwho, in Something to ruffle some penguin feathers: The Unix Hater's Handbook

A classic! Way back when it used to be recommended on as a good introductory text (until O’Reilly started publishing books on Linux, anyway).

deafboy, in Recent GNOME design work – Form and Function
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More like form and whitespace… God knows how I try to like modern gnome, but it’s not easy.

spittingimage, in Something to ruffle some penguin feathers: The Unix Hater's Handbook
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Gasp

Quick, to the fainting couch!

zelifcam, (edited ) in Random application segfaults on Arch
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  • NoisyFlake,

    Hm, I’ve had this problem since my initial setup about 2-3 months ago, I think that if there’s something wrong with the software in the repos, it would’ve been fixed by now and I wouldn’t be the only one having this problem, right?

    But of course, if you want I can give the testing repos a try :)

    Ibaudia, in Why more PC gaming handhelds should ditch Windows for SteamOS
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    Of course Linux is better for custom, purpose-built hardware. That’s like, its main advantage for the commercial sector.

    fidodo,

    Also, single purpose use cases. Servers don’t necessarily run on custom hardware, but they do only one type of thing.

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  • GTG3000,

    Yeah, the sole reason I don’t have linux on my old laptop is that lenovo has completely proprietary video drivers for it. I’m talking “manufacturer’s installers don’t think there’s a video card there” proprietary.

    Ottomateeverything,

    Now we just need that GFX software from intel / amd / nvidia that is available on windows, taking advantage of that newly supported hardware

    Stop, you’re making me too hard. I might be able to like, ditch Windows if that happens.

    woelkchen, (edited )
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Edit. By software I’m talking about in game features.

    Like FSR and such? That’s available on Linux (FSR 1.x is integrated into SteamOS for compositor-level upscaling). AFAIK AMD does not officially support FSR on Linux but it’s written in a way that it should work with minor integration work. It’s written with cross-platform support in mind, given that it’s targeting PlayStation etc. als well.

    SnotFlickerman, (edited ) in Why more PC gaming handhelds should ditch Windows for SteamOS
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    Because Microsoft ain’t gonna make Windows any better for this form factor until it is way late to the game, as usual.

    Windows is basically a product for corporations now. Consumer Windows is an afterthought most of the time.

    However, I could be wrong with Xbox’s theorized pivot away from hardware.

    cm0002,

    Consumer Windows is an afterthought most of the time.

    Always has been

    Windows is an enterprise OS with consumer features and macOS is a consumer OS with enterprise features.

    PerogiBoi,
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    And I’m a man with boy-like intellect, just in case anyone was wondering.

    Hamartiogonic,
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    What about Linux then? A 1337 OS with some noob features sprinkled in for color? Or maybe a server OS with desktop features stapled on the front?

    domi,
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    Or maybe a server OS with desktop features stapled on the front?

    That is a very accurate description of Linux considering even X11 and Wayland are display servers. Pipewire and Pulseaudio are also servers.

    SkyeStarfall, (edited )

    Don’t misunderstand what a server means, however. Just because something is called a server doesn’t mean it’s not made for the desktop. It’s a technical term that doesn’t necessarily relate to networking, it might just relate to stuff like inter-process communication.

    However, Wayland is designed for the desktop environment. It’s like the main reason why it replaces X11, which was designed for terminals.

    domi,
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    My comment was mostly meant as a joke. I’m aware most of them use their networking capabilities for IPC and being able to use them remotely is just a cool feature resulting from that (except X11).

    cm0002,

    Linux is an everything OS with whatever features you want/need. Do you need a hardened enterprise server? Linux got you. Do you need a user friendly OS for even non-technical people? Linux got you. Do you need something that can do a little of everything? Believe it or not, Linux got you.

    acockworkorange,

    Straight to jail.

    SatyrSack,

    You underclock your laptop? Linux got you.

    You overclock your gaming rig? Believe it or not, Linux got you.

    Underclock, overclock.

    LeFantome,

    I know this is a joke comment but Linux is for sure an enterprise kernel first and foremost. It did not start that way but that is how it has been developed and managed for many years now. Maybe the most incorrect thing anybody has ever said on record in the computer industry is when Linus said Linux was “not going to be anything big and professional”.

    Linux distributions, which are conceived and managed totally independently from the kernel are available for every niche. Many of them are desktop and “consumer” oriented. With many Linux distributions, I would say that it is more accurate that they are hobbiest oriented more than what Microsoft would mean be “consumer”.

    Dudewitbow,

    windows optimized for handhelds is already a work in progress, its just not remotely done

    aniki,

    Microsoft has never, since inception, been able to ship an embedded Windows that wasn’t a festering pile of dog shit.

    oce,
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    Windows phone on Nokia Lumia was pretty good and well polished, and I’m a Linux fan.

    Dudewitbow, (edited )

    embedded windows in the japanese arcade scene has been working fine so far. for example, most of bandais arcade machines in the past like 7 yaers or so basically run embedded windows.

    it was a benefit to non arcade users because a majority of games that were on those machines eventually got pc versions, or a new game on pc for the first time (e.g Tekken 7, Taiko No Tatsujin), where historically, theyve basically never been on PC officially.

    aniki, (edited )

    So let me get this straight – your defense of Microsoft, in this instance, is Japanese cabinet makers, making arcade machines, where the user doesn’t interact with the operating system in the slightest bit? A Japan that still faxes even in modernity? That’s your defense of MS? I bet they aren’t even using a special build of windows — just the desktop schlock with some shitty 3rd party app on top.

    Dudewitbow, (edited )

    im not defending mocrosoft at a whole, im just saying windows embedded isnt as bad as you actually think it is, and consumers benefitted from it more than it not

    A Japan that still faxes even in modernity?

    what a country does has barely anything to do with rhis context. thats like saying the U.S is shit because they didnt have tap to pay until Covid happened, whoch other countries have been usong for a decade before, or having terrible public transportation and internet infrastructure, and in the latter case, basically invented it.

    That’s your defense of MS? I bet they aren’t even using a special build of windows — just the desktop schlock with some shitty 3rd party app on top.

    that shows how ignorant you are with it because all of the games arent directly ported. look into the efforts required to port Gundam Extreme Versus 2 on teknoparrot. if it was a native game, then they wouldnt have to jump through as many hoops as the game doesnt have a PC port (nor any of its predecessors have ever had one)

    Abnorc,

    They could even bring back the Zune branding if they finally do it. It’d almost be poetic.

    Ottomateeverything, (edited )

    I don’t know that Microsoft has any business trying to make Windows support these devices better…

    Windows is entirely built around two pillars:

    1. Enterprise support for corporations, and team machine management
    2. Entirely open compatibility so they can run almost any hardware you put into it, plug into it, and backwards compatibility for all that for as long as possible.

    Portable game machines are not an enterprise product. Nor do you care about broad hardware support or upgradability. Nor do you care about plugging in your parallel port printer from 1985. Nor do you care about running your ancient vb6 code to run your production machines over some random firewire card.

    Windows’ goal is entirely oppositional to portable gaming devices. It makes almost no sense for them to try to support it, as it’d go against their entire model. For things like these, you want a thin, optimized-over-flexible, purpose built OS that does one thing: play games. Linux is already built to solve this problem way better than Windows.

    But, Microsoft will probably be stupid enough to try anyway.

    helenslunch, in Why more PC gaming handhelds should ditch Windows for SteamOS
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    Because Windows blows.

    Saved you a click.

    SnotFlickerman,
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    Reminds me of my friend getting in trouble in high school’s the PC lab for changing all the startup screens from saying “Windows 95” to “Winblows 95.”

    avidamoeba, in Random application segfaults on Arch
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    Crashes on Arch, doesn’t crash on Debian:

    Debian > Arch

    Sanguine,

    Not the point of this thread.

    avidamoeba,
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    Of course.

    avidamoeba, (edited ) in Random application segfaults on Arch
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    Could be a defective library that’s used by many apps. Glibc, etc. That said, if something like this is that broken, others should be complaining about it too.

    gbin,

    One crash was in libxul and the other in libcef I doubt this is a specific lib

    HobbitFoot, in Why more PC gaming handhelds should ditch Windows for SteamOS

    I wouldn’t ditch Windows entirely, but I could see the business case of making sure your game can run on SteamOS.

    vzq, in Random application segfaults on Arch

    Can you enable core dumps and get stack traces? From there you should be able to figure out which shared library is broken.

    NoisyFlake,

    Uhm, isn’t that what can be found at the end of the journalctl log I posted? Or are you talking about something different?

    Breve, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

    I’ve become a fan of KDE Neon. It’s based on Ubuntu LTS but with the the most up-to-date KDE release.

    WarmSoda, (edited ) in Why more PC gaming handhelds should ditch Windows for SteamOS

    How many actual PC handhelds are there?
    The link in the article that promises “plenty” of handheld examples talks about Steam deck, Asus, and… the switch. And that’s it. And obviously the switch is not a PC handheld, so… ?

    n2burns,
    WarmSoda,

    Such as?

    wren,
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    There’s quite a few. Steam deck and Asus, as you mentioned, but there’s also AyaNeo, GPD, OneXPlayer, Aokzoe, Lenovo, etc. And many of these brands have several different models, if you’re counting individual products.

    WarmSoda,

    Ah thanks.
    How many of those do people actually use though?

    aniki,

    Valve was essentially LATE to the handheld market, they just had the technical and company will to do it the best.

    WarmSoda, (edited )

    I hear that.

    But how many people actually use all of those other brands listed?

    It’s ok to just say “no one” without downvoting.

    All I’m hearing is crickets

    wren,
    @wren@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Anecdotally, I have an Aya Neo. I know a few people with a few of the others brands. There’s a decently sized Aya Neo Discord that I’m part of, and I would assume the other brands have something similar. There’s definitely use of non-Steam handhelds, or there wouldn’t be a growing market for them.

    WarmSoda,

    Do you have a steam deck too?

    wren,
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    I do not

    WarmSoda,

    How’s the Aya? Does it dock with the TV/monitor?

    wren,
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    I personally love it, and yes it can with a dock similar to the Switch’s. It’s ran every game I’ve thrown at it, and I’ve an original 2021 version. There’s a few quirks, like the joysticks will sometimes just decide to not do a random direction, but recalibrating is easy. Obviously the resolution quality isn’t as stellar as if you were running a pc meant output to a monitor, but on the built in screen everything is crispy. It’s decently heavy though, so my baby wrists get tired after a while. But yeah it’s great, playing whatever wherever is pretty ace.

    Woovie,

    Ah yes lemme whip out my magical sales numbers ball and let you know

    Secret300,

    It helps they actually made their own OS to make it easier for people to get into. Windows really doesn’t work on those small screens

    aniki, (edited )

    Not sure what you mean – they all run Linux. The images just have the video hardware configs baked in with a preconfigured user and start script. You would be amazed at how easy that is to do, all things considered. I have a few kiosk configurations I created for the two Home Assistant panels I have in my house.

    wiki.clockworkpi.com/index.php/ClockworkOS

    Atemu,
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    And, most importantly, money bags to subsidise the hell out of it. Let’s not kid ourselves here, the damn low price is one of the main reasons why people buy the SD rather than the ~2x more expensive alternatives.

    TheOakTree,

    MSI just announced their handheld PC too, it has an Intel (Meteor Lake) CPU with Arc graphics.

    wren,
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    Oh, good shout! That one looks 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

    Grass, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

    Ublue although it’s kinda still fedora, otherwise alpine even though I don’t really use it.

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