Those things were so hideous… and I actually thought they were cool at the time… well. Except OS9 sucked balls.
The power mac versions with the pull-to-open side were cooler. Mostly because there was a space above the PSU had just enough space to accommodate a tub of cottage cheese.
Pop it in on a Friday…. You’d be having class…. Elsewhere on Monday…
There is no one devoloping for x11 anymore, it is abandonware and dead (even if still usefully sometimes) wayland isn’t the new shiny thing but it has been getting devoloped so so slowly and getting little support, because the focus on x11. Death of x11 is better for everyone
Is something like barrier/synergy already working with wayland?
I wanted to try it so badly, but controlling multiple computers with one set of keyboard & mouse is quite essential to my workflow.
Also, does X forwarding over ssh work in some way?
Like, can I open remote GUI programs over ssh on my wayland, like on X11? And less important for me, but still, also the other way round?
Thanks upfront!
I have some FOMO here, but last time I checked wayland couldn’t provide me those things, I need for work :-(
I do have a long term goal of learning C and making an actually good sixel patch, but that’s for ST. Like sure Wayland gets rid of the screen tearing I occasionally get on my old Intel GPU in my laptop, but why would I spend so much time porting patches when X11 when that’s my only gripe with it.
I just switched from fedora 39 plasma to green debian, it’s been very pleasant to have “it just works os” take care of things, including X11 just doing it’s regular old thing.
But if course, Wayland is the future and I will happily use it by the time it becomes stable enough for a debian release. Go Wayland!
The whole point of using Linux is the freedom that we can use what we want. Don’t play down other DEs you might not like, because the variety is what makes our environment amazing.
You can use what you want. I just say X11 is not developed anymore really, since years. It is decades old and insecure by design. Wayland just works, if not supported XWayland is chosen automatically.
If you use MacOS or Windows today, you will see that Linux has no permission system at all. This is simply insecure.
As a Linux newcomer the Wayland/X11 thing has been the most confusing thing I’ve witnessed.
Surely the average person will just use what works best on their system at that time? I don’t get people wishing to throw Wayland in the trash or the people who take issue with people still using X11.
Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.
Ubuntu LTS and 23.x are both Xorg. Latest has Wayland. If 24.04 is to be LTS though, I don’t think they’d release it with Wayland as default. I’d think they’d switch to Wayland on 24.10 so there’s 3 more releases to get good before the next LTS build.
I don’t usually “trust” vendor support for Linux though…Linux is usually a second-class citizen and “support” means there is either a single grey-beard or an intern that’s answering emails about it. Idk about StudioOne, but unfortunately it’s usually expected to not have feature parity or complete documentation for commercial software on Linux. IME, YMMV, etc.
It’s an age old Linux tradition. We argue about window managers, init systems, sound systems, and anything else we can. Often it’s because people have built a hacked together system based on what used to work for them. Relevant XKCD
And it’s fine when it’s about a roughly equal choice. But Wayland is vastly superior in support and X11 vastly superior in functionality, so I don’t get this argument.
If I could find a compositor for Wayland (and a simple terminal emulator like urxvt, no opengl for acceleration please) as easy and quick to set up as cwm for X11 (with something like dzen2) or fvwm - the issue wouldn’t exist for me personally.
And, here me out here: this is a good thing. Nay, a beautiful thing. There are no better things to do because these people care and have a voice. We argue about things for years and make slow progress as people agree or capitulate, and there will always be a fork to avoid those changes people care to enough. No one can just buy the Linux ecosystem and make unpopular changes without broad support. I’m pretty sure a negligible number of people have genuine hatred or prejudice for those using a technology they don’t like. The arguing of Linux and Open Source is a reflection of the most successful form of worldwide democracy ever implemented by mankind.
How is money an issue? I can run down to the contracted office-supply refurbisher 2 miles away, buy a 2-year old lenovo mini PC for $160, and slap Debian on it for no additional licence fee.
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