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vegantomato, (edited ) in meme
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Why would you panic more from #3 than #1?

Zeon, (edited )

Backdoors in the CPU microcode, backdoors in the proprietary firmware of your motherboard / hard drives, backdoor through Intel Management Engine / AMD PSP. They’re all hardware level backdoors that can’t easily be disabled / replaced on newer systems.

There are only a select few of systems out their that can run a fully free BIOS with no IME, but those systems are about 15+ years old. In terms of freedom, we’re fucked. Even if you do switch to GNU/Linux, you’re still not entirely free.

vegantomato, (edited )
@vegantomato@lemmy.world avatar

That is all true. The way to fix this is by always being pro-active, it can mean:

  • Voting with our wallets. Show that you will always spend on the more privacy-respecting option, even if no perfect option exists.
  • Raising our voices, to family and friends. Elaborate why we need open tech.
  • Lobbying for open hardware and software initiatives. The goal is to make openness and freedom more profitable than closed tech.

Pro-activeness is important. Assume that our generation was perfectly privacy-demanding, that this was truly a core value that everybody held. If the next generation became lax on this issue, and didn’t care as much, things would start to deteriorate. Totalitarianism would creep in. So the current generation are always the torchbearers of freedom, we have to do our part.

pewgar_seemsimandroid, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

i play games sometimes and gimme mint

brokenlcd, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

Reject modernity, return to typewriters

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Trouble is, they can’t do lots of other things that computers can 🤷.

Franzia, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

Talked about linux in discord the other day and all the linux people were fucking annoying as shit about it

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

They’re probably kids and feel like 1337 for using Linux. It’s just an OS, like any other.

eldain, in Windows is also effective in removing the bootloader (linux bootloader)

Most of the time, your grub is still there, even the link on your efi partiton. Only the evivars in uefi need to be reminded of their existance far too often.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

One of the many reasons why I still boot in legacy.

Ziglin,

Windows did an update once that messed up so bad that at least until I booted into a live USB, my bios couldn’t find grub or windows lol, then from the live USB I just chrooted in and reinstalled grub.

Octopus1348, in When you build from source 🥲
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

What are you compiling?

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

yt-dlg. It’s wxPython based, so it takes A LOT of time and CPU power… or maybe my laptop is just old 😂.

umbrella, (edited ) in meme
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

im still dazzled by games actually running to be that mad.

90% open is fine for now, hopefully my next machine will have open firmware if that AMD open firmware thing goes well.

mariusafa, in meme

Context?

Sanyanov, (edited )

Debian uses its own version of the Linux kernel with proprietary parts removed; however, if you want to install it on a machine that does have hardware for which there are no free drivers (which is to say almost any machine out there in the market), you’ll have to install proprietary parts; in the last version, Debian 12, system does that by default.

Intel Management Engine is a CPU-level microprogram that runs with highest priority and does not have open code, so essentially every PC with Intel CPU runs some arbitrary code we cannot verify. Same for AMD Platform Security Processor by the way, so there is no simple escape.

Oh and BIOS is proprietary too, and only a few select machines can have a fully libre BIOS successfully installed on them.

Thereby even if you go to essentially libre version of Linux, there will, almost universally, be pieces of obfuscated code with no disclosure on what they’re doing there.

bouh,

Isn’t that a hardware problem though? At some point you want your software to work, and years of reverse engineering for it to do so is a long time for it isn’t it?

Sanyanov,

Well, it’s obviously dictated by hardware and the software that manufacturers release for it. I’m not calling enthusiasts to reverse engineer every single driver, that’s impossible.

The point is, there is a lot of proprietary blobs in everyone’s systems, and it’s not cool. If you ask me, we should obviously shift policies to force manufacturers to open source drivers and management systems.

miningforrocks,

Is there a completely libre platform out there. I don’t have any problem with running a risv-v CPU or anything similar

Sanyanov,

RISC-V should be fine, if price, performance, software support, and form-factors are all okay for you.

For most, it isn’t, but if you wanna go such great lenghts, I’d say you have a chance.

miningforrocks,

Can you recommended any board?

Sanyanov,

Sadly, not really - didn’t go deep into various options.

But maybe someone else can help?

mariusafa,

Didn’t knew about the Debian part I thought they said that they will ship an installer with non-free by default and another installer which you can configure.

Btw I’m on my way to build a new x220 with libreboot and GUIX can we get more free than that? Xd

Sanyanov,

You might be right on that - you know, everyone faced the challenge to find the right Debian installer :D

Wow, good luck with your project!

al177,

IME is even worse than that. It runs on a supervisor processor in the chipset that has privileged access to the memory, peripherals, and CPU, and can run when the rest of the system is powered off. IME is how Intel AMT can serve as a KVM-over-IP, and just because you don’t have a CPU with Vpro doesn’t mean all the components aren’t there for an exploited or backdoored ME firmware to remotely log your console or inject keystrokes.

Sanyanov,

Thanks for adding up!

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

Apparently it can also read any decryption keys read by the cpu.

0x4E4F, in I'm pretty much sure Spotify knows my music taste pretty well!
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Too much pritties in one sentence 😂.

spacesweedkid27, in Windows is also effective in removing the bootloader (linux bootloader)

How does the wsl load the OS btw?

fl42v,

Wsl2? It’s a VM. As for wsl1… Not sure, mb smth wine-ish.

nekusoul, (edited )
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

The way WSL1 worked is actually quite interesting: The NT kernel always had the capability to run multiple subsystems, with Win32 only being one of them and there were subsystems available for OS/2, POSIX and later UNIX. WSL1 was pretty much a revival of that feature. So WSL1 is indeed somewhat like Wine, but making heavy use of some features built into the kernel. So yeah, no real boot process happening.

(Also it’s kinda stupid that the ‘S’ in WSL2 still stands for ‘subsystem’, despite not using that feature anymore.)

lightnegative,

I liked the WSL1 approach better. I find it ironic that the Windows kernel lacks so many useful features that it simply wasn’t possible to properly implement things like cgroups on top of it, so they just gave up and ran Linux in a VM for WSL2

nofoxgiven, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

Someone have the list of all those brands?

Fireforger,

From top to bottom and left to right

  • Chrome OS
  • Windows
  • Mac OS
  • Ubuntu
  • Pop!_OS
  • Linux Mint
  • Debian
  • ?
  • Kali Linux (?)
  • ?
  • Arch Linux
  • ?
  • ?

Anyone want to help out fill in the blanks?

kuberoot,

I know that after arch is Gentoo, the last one is FreeBSD

Fungah, (edited )

The one beside Debian is almalinux I think.

The one beside Kali is parrot

pewgar_seemsimandroid, in meme

i am confused

Sanyanov,

Answered to another comment. In short: it’s very hard to make your PC run fully libre software, and no consumer-grade solution can do that.

azvasKvklenko, in I'm pretty much sure Spotify knows my music taste pretty well!

Come and join us share the software Set you freeee pirate set you Freeehehee

mathterdark, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

I am once again asking:

Do you fear God? —(yes)—> TempleOS

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

Do you fear God? —(no)—> HannahMontanaOS

joyjoy, (edited ) in Windows is also effective in removing the bootloader (linux bootloader)

Defaults were updated to systemd-boot

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