merc,

MacOS is still Unix under the hood, and has been since they adapted NeXTSTEP.

Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.

But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS, where everything would grind to a halt if you clicked and held the mouse button.

netchami,

Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.

I absolutely agree

But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS

Or some weird old Unixes like AIX

merc,

Yeah, but at least they’re unixes (unices?).

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I think Unices would be correct, if it works like “appendix” etc…

dukk,

Or it could be “Unixes”, as in “prefixes”, or “crucifixes”.

English is a weird language.

merc,

Yeah, apparently you need to know the origin of the word to know how to pluralize it.

One octopus, two octopuses. But you can also say “octopodes” because the elements used to create the word are originally Greek (okto for 8, pous for foot), and that’s how Greek words get pluralized. But, although it was based on Greek elements it was never used in Ancient Greek. It was a modern Latin word, created in the 1700s as a scientific term using those Greek elements. As a Latin word, the “us” ending should be pluralized with “i”, so “octopi” (which is one of the oldest known pluralizations of the word). But, it’s an English word, and the proper way to pluralize an English word ending in “us” is to tack on “es”.

So, you can go with “octopodes”, “octopi” or “octopuses” and have an argument why any of them is correct.

For Unix, since it’s a word created in English, it’s probably “unixes”. To claim it’s “unices” you’d have to pretend that “unix” is a Latin word, which it isn’t, and never was, but “ix” is a common declension pattern in Latin, and an uncommon ending in English, so it’s fun to pretend it’s a Latin word and doesn’t get pluralized normally.

bitwaba, (edited )

Eunuchs

merc, (edited )

No, we’re not talking about the users. (And the polite term is incel.)

bitwaba,

I figured it was more a voluntary thing for this group. A voncel if you will.

HelloHotel, (edited )
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Ahhh! The sweet taste of hardware and software flaws. (Every platform had them lol)

MacNCheezus,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

This. I’m not sure why more people don’t know this, but macOS is actually UNIX certified. Linux isn’t.

Scrollone,

Well, GNU stands for Gnu is Not Unix, so…

MacNCheezus, (edited )
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Yes, I know. That’s why it’s always kinda funny when you see Linux users shitting on MacOS for not being UNIX enough for their taste.

netchami,

Linux isn’t Unix, it’s Unix-like

Octopus1348,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

And that’s part of what I like about it. I know how to operate in the terminal and it’s the same in all Unix OSes.

netchami,

It’s one of the reasons I absolutely hate Windows. Nearly every OS uses some form of Unix. Android is Linux, iOS is based on XNU which is FreeBSD, macOS is also XNU, Linux is unix-like, all BSDs are Unix, even the OS used in the PS4 is FreeBSD and thus Unix. Windows is the only thing that’s different.

Octopus1348,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar
netchami,

Nah, Windows always does that on its own. No intervention required.

Kedly, (edited )

I cant wait to fully abandon windows with my next tower (Already on Linux with my deck) but MacOS is FAR MORE cancer than M$, part of the issue with M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple

2 edits: I think someone replied to this and then blocked me (or someone I’ve blocked replied to me somehow) as apparently theres a response to this but I cant see it nor have I been notified

And

Damn, a lot of you apparently want a mega corp have complete control over what what your operating system looks like/does/what accessories you can buy for it if you think Apple is in anyway better than Microsoft. I thought the whole point of jumping to linux was freedom, you have LESS freedom with macs than with PC’s

fosforus, (edited )

M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple

Apple has adverts in macos somehow, but I’m not sure what it means since I’ve never seen ads in there. Perhaps they’re in app store or safari or something, but I don’t use either, so I don’t know.

Windows on the other hand pumps ads on you right at first boot on desktop. I’m sure it’s possible to turn them off somehow, but I usually choose to turn them off by installing Linux.

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

I find I have plenty of freedom on a Mac

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I have to use all three what does that make me

jack,

Cuck?

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Got a little laugh from me, ngl lol.

cyanarchy,

A jack of all trades and a master of none?

DeepGradientAscent,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

…is better to be than a master of one.

The number of people who never finish this turn of phrase is too damn high.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

What about a master of two?

sittytucker,

That’s an amazing meme, would anyone happen to have a template of it?

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Linux user should really be shown with a hoodie sleeve…

fleet,

For me, they both suck. I’ve been on Linux for close to 10 years now and continue to enjoy it more and more.

However, I will say, that if I need to recommend a computer to somebody who knows nothing about computers and doesn’t want to know anything, I will recommend Apple. I die a little inside each time though, knowing about their right to repair and privacy policies.

dewritoninja,

I would never recommend an apple computer unless it’s for audio production. Getting one fixed is a nightmare

librechad, (edited )

Honestly, if y’all would help your friend out with Linux they might be interested. If you just write down a note for them with the most basic commands for Debian, they would be okay.

DE: Use GNOME

Partiton layout: Use default /home for everything, don’t make seperate partitions for /root, /var, etc.

Add their user(s) to the sudoers file

CTRL+ALT+T to open the command line

Basic commands:

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get upgrade

Install Flatpak, and bookmark Flathub in their browser. That should be good enough and honestly anyone could figure this out.

cyanarchy,

You clearly don’t have much experience with the full bell curve of people’s ability with computers.

librechad, (edited )

Be a good neighbor and teach them then. It’s not as hard as most people think it is. I’ve taught my mom, grandma, and friend how to use Linux before. My grandma uses Debian daily and she only had experience with computers by playing those online casino sites. Now she does it in full freedom and now I saved her some extra dough to throw into becoming a online casino addict! Yay grandma!

ScrotusMaximus,

librechad flexing his 500 iq family and friends

meanwhile in my family:

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/70590575-1c48-45a9-bc5e-3caae9860c9a.webp

librechad,

I am trying to say you guys should set it up for them, make it easy for them. It is very easy to just setup a taskbar and let them click on the browser, file explorer, etc.

drctrl,

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted but I agree with you. Helping them set up the first time makes their transition to Linux smoother. I just had someone’s laptop prepared with the steps you outlined in your previous comment and left them on how to install flatpak apps. They said they want to learn more beyond flatpak and genuinely interested how to learn to install the distro themselves.

victorz,

Sometimes a broken tool is the right tool for the job.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I have often chosen MacOS over Windows, though Windows has come a long way since 95. It isn’t as infuriating to use anymore.

I’ve been a Mac user off and on since the late 80s and used Windows and Linux off and on since the 90s.

For the last 10+ years: Mac laptop, Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop for the occasional times it is convenient.

onlinepersona, (edited )

What are windows mainers doing in a linux community? Shoo, we don’t want Edge or Bing or popup ads in our games.

Syrus,

As a windows user, i’ll respect your opinion and fuck off. However i WILL be back bitch!! (My next OS is 100% linux)

onlinepersona,

You will be welcomed back with open arms my (future) friend.

Syrus, (edited )

I’m not your (future) friend, (future) buddy!!!

drctrl,

I’m not your (future) buddy, (future) pal!

Syrus,

Ow yeah?! Well I’m not your (future) pal, (future) friend!

alsaaas, (edited )
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I’d rather give myself the bullet (which doesn’t mean much tbh). At least I can ameliorate Windows for my VMs (in case of apps not working on Wine) which makes it ok to use

I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to “Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded”

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

Maybe if you noticed a lot of developers run Mac then you’d see their technical opinions are usually worthwhile.

alsaaas, (edited )
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

ik and I do notice it (am currently doing an apprenticeship in software development). Maybe if you’d noticed that it’s mostly the frontend (/“js bro”) crowd, you’d be aware that JS and a few markup “languages” require little to no technical knowledge

EDIT: lmao just noticed the username “mac”. Apple fans are truly a special breed

mac, (edited )
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

Nah I was quite literally born with the name mac… Literally on my birth certificate that way.

I agree JS doesn’t require as much technical knowhow.

RacoonVegetable,

Nice recycling of Reddit memes

laverabe,

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

RacoonVegetable,

No, this is Patrick!

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

I see this comment under a lot of meme posts, do you want content or not?

Adonnen,

I much prefer Windows to MacOS. The fact it is missing decent tiling is a nonstarter. It’s too inflexible for my workflow.

And sure, Windows can be maddeningly inconsistent, but what really destroys the experience is the constant ensh*ttification. I know a lot of people here hate everything about Windows, but for me, it only sucks because Microsoft designs it to suck.

Not only are there ads and (some) first party lockin, I cannot trust they will continue offering updates, paywall feaures, restrict more functionality, or insert stuff like AI to mess up my workflow.

I used to think reliability was just about stability and bugginess, but now I think it is about trust as well.

lobut,

I use Amethyst on Mac for tiling: ianyh.com/amethyst/.

Not sure if that’s what you meant though.

Adonnen,

Looks nice, I’ll check it out if I have to use Mac OS again.

pineapplelover,

Let’s hope you don’t

Unreliable, (edited )

Yabai works pretty well even with SIP enabled and there’s a new one called AeroSpace that’s in the works.

github.com/koekeishiya/yabai

github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace

jennraeross,

Thanks for the tip, aerospace looks to be exactly what I’ve been looking for for a long time #^-^#

fosforus, (edited )

Another good one is Magnet. Its weakness is that the tiling is manual, but once you internalize the keybindings, it’s good enough. And because it’s manual, it doesn’t screw up your windows like all the others seem to (for me at least).

Sway on Linux beats all of them hands down, though.

lobut,

Is that so? I’ve been wanting to try a tilling manager for Linux, thanks for the recommend!

fosforus, (edited )

If you must use X11 for some reason, i3 is the OG. Sway is Wayland. But yeah, I think those two are pretty much perfection.

bane_killgrind,

I’m searching for some document on my work PC and I see ads in my start menu, like what the fuck?

Can somebody exploit that already so they get rid of it

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

I don’t understand when people say macOS is inflexible, I find it incredibly flexible, stable and efficient.

possiblylinux127,

Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.

Honytawk,

And have actual control over the OS.

Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.

Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Apple: “Sorry but your hardware seems to be out of date with our OS! Please buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth 1000!”

Me: “But it still runs?”

Apple: “Does it, though?”

Me: “Well not anymore… Thanks.”

onlinepersona,

Not to defend Apple, but doesn’t windows 11 demand you buy new hardware for it to be installed? Something about a TPM?

aBundleOfFerrets,

You can turn that off (unofficially) no such luck on mac

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah you need an Intel 8th gen or a ryzen processor in order to use it without a workaround. Something from the last 6 years.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t need 8th Gen. It’s just that 7th gen specifically doesn’t work. I’m pretty sure older Intel chips are fine. TPM isn’t on your CPU.

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Correct, I was trying to keep it simple but yes more specifically you need a TPM 2.0 capable system

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Does Windows still allow your applications to function update after update if you decide to stick with Windows 10? Yes. Can you just stay on W10 and expect things to keep working? Also yes.

I don’t have to worry about the newest version of Adobe Premiere not being compatible with this older version of iOS, oops now our promo team and our production team aren’t able to share their files because one bought newer Macs and now has an upgraded version of Adobe that Catalina doesn’t support unless you also buy new machines that are allowed to update through to Monterey.

Apple is fine for home use, but as someone who works operations side IT and has to constantly perform network workarounds to get their equipment functional in a commercial environment, fuck Apple and their “We did the thinking for you uwu™️” nonsense.

cm0002,

And OMG, Apples business support is absolute horse shit

Device management? Good fucking luck. Setting up iOS device management is by far the most painful, migraine inducing, poorly thought out, full of the most asinine restrictions process I’ve ever seen in my life.

Setting up Oracle on-prem software is a cake walk compared to Apples shit.

Windows is a business OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with business (poorly executed) “features”

Apple: “It just works!*”

*As long as it’s not a business feature

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve seen MacBook’s last for 8+ years and remain performant.

bdonvr, (edited )

They update Macs for a good 8 years or so, which isn’t that bad really. Then you can often just install newer versions with community tools after that.

Edit: I haven’t had one in a few years, apparently that’s not quite true recently as they’re trying to drop x86 support and move everything to ARM

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

That’s more of an architecture shift as opposed to we don’t support it because fuck you, also Rosetta means most x86 Mac apps will be able to run on the m-series chips.

stufkes,

This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It’s good that people that like it can use it. It’s bad that I don’t have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn’t that it lacks Unix features, it’s everything else.

bdonvr,

What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.

Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

Yeah I think most people have experienced an iPad or iPhone but not a Mac so they assume it’s the same walled garden. What they don’t realise is Mac has been a solid choice for power users, developers and creators of all varieties for over 10 years, this means the community and app selection is honestly ridiculously good.

mac, (edited )
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

The only place I’ve ever seen ads on my MacBook is in the App Store, the iCloud section of settings and on Apple’s website, all of which it makes sense for the adverts to exist. Oh wait I may have seen one as a precursor to a YouTube video but sans ad-blocker that is standing regards of OS.

spudwart,
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

As both a MacOS and Linux user I agree with myself on the regular that Windows is shit.

I also wash my hands on the regular.

Great meme, very accurate.

laverabe,

ಠ_ಠ

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

Linux > windows 10 > Windows 11 > MacOS is my experience, I just can’t stand apple and their walled gardens. I hate that they try to force me to use their shitty cloud and prevent me from installing third party apps. Windows 11 hhurts my eyes. And as a W10 refugee that’s gotten used to linux, I think its tolarable

fl42v,

In my experience, win 8.1 < win 10: less CPU and ram hogging, less telemetry, and overall less frustration. Although, yeah, you’d have to replace metro crap with something less tablet-oriented.

Alternatively, server editions are OK.

Vilian,

Alternatively, server editions are OK.

wait, server edition on desktop?

fl42v,

Well, duh. Kinda funny how windows server is a better desktop windows than a regular windows. Basically, you get less candy_crush-like crap plus only security updates, as far as I remember. But yeah, there are different unnecessary features (unless you’re in the corporate environment, ofc)

Although, I’m not really sure nowadays since I haven’t used windows for a few years 😅

mac,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

Honestly you can use a Mac perfectly well without ever signing into iCloud + you don’t get prompted to sign in ever really unless you click on a feature that requires iCloud like the iCloud tab in settings.

You can even use the apps like mail without ever signing into iCloud.

ozymandias117,

The walled garden makes sense on the phone, but I’m not clear what you’re thinking of for macOS

I just went to videolan.org and libreoffice.org over Thanksgiving to download and install them on my cousin’s MacBook

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

I have to click through ten million pop ups to have macOS “trust” it. It makes me hate myself

bdonvr,

That’s true and annoying. There is a terminal command to disable all that though

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

oh I would love to learn what that command is

bdonvr,

sudo spctl --master-disable and/or –global-disable

Aasikki,

Still usually less clicks than most windows installers though. (Personally I hate all 3 OS’s more or less equally)

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

Actually no. Not really. Also there is no more braindead argument than “I hate all of x equally”. Form a real fucking opinion

Aasikki,

There’s no opinion to form. They all suck absolute donkey balls in their own unique ways.

AphoticDev,
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m an Android fan, but I do like the walled garden for iPhones. There are so many people who just do not understand how to protect their privacy online, and phones are a treasure trove of personal information. I’ve no doubt that the tight controls on iOS have saved many people from identity theft due to their own negligence. That, combined with the ease of use and the superior accessibility features over Android makes iPhone the better choice for older generations who don’t understand technology as well.

possiblylinux127,

The problem is that you are trusting Apple completely.

AphoticDev,
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m not trusting Apple at all, I exclusively use degoogled Android.

possiblylinux127,

Me too

nekusoul,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

I would agree that a reasonably locked down device helps certain audiences stay secure, but to me that always sounds like a convenient excuse. Surely they could at least implement some way to regain control, even if that meant having to unlock the boot-loader and flashing the device, which is not something your average person would/could do.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i mean os x is basically just darwin and bsd with a gui

Emerald,

Linux is basically just Linux and GNU with a gui

Windows is basically just NT with a gui

I don’t get it

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