Infinity Wars was stupid. Have some super heroes run around fighting bad guys trying to destroy the world for some stupid reason. There was no pick. It’s all stupid.
I don’t know, I thought it was kind of fun that they mixed things up for a change and had the protagonist be the villain and the central plot be about his triumph over the antagonists who are the heroes; the movie ending with him relaxing and enjoying the sunset now that his great work was over and so he could retire and put down his burdens was a really nice touch.
You ignorant. Thanos was the hero. Ironman is just another billionaire denying the obvious responsiblity for the death of all life on earth Thanos was preventing.
It wasn’t “resolved.” Thanos won. Then some janky billionaire lying asshole undid that and then lied about fucking everything. Everyone went on like a march of idiots right over the suicidal cliff like lemmings.
I’m still pissed that the McGuffin in that movie was basic-ass time travel, when they had the way cooler McGuffin of the Quantum Realm they could have explored.
To make matters even worse, it’s seeming like the real reason they did the time travel BS was so they could start the multiverse BS, so they had a justification to continue pumping out garbage content.
It’s also just a bad time travel movie because the purpose of it was to be appeal to self-contained nostalgia. Like, “hey, remember all these OTHER movies you saw that built up to this one? Well, they’re going to revisit these in minor, superficial ways at the very end of our huge event.” Yeah, dog, I don’t care about those movies anymore and they weren’t very entertaining to begin with. Just get to the ball numbing action violence.
Completely agree! Though time travel wasn’t a MacGuffin, it was just a plot contrivance. A Macguffin is an interchangeable irrelavent object used to drive the motivation for the plot. The “tesseract” in Avengers, or the “Philosopher/Sorcerer’s Stone” in Harry Potter for example.
Sorry to be pedantic, I fully agree with your actual point, and just thought you might want to know.
No, you’re right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Welcome to every single movie that's ever been produced. Most things in movies could be prevented if the heroes just made reasonable decisions. But then you wouldn't have a movie, so heroes have to be stupid at just the right moment to make the movie work.
Go watch Die Hard, The Day Of The Jackal, Rope, Seven Samurai, The Martian. It is possible to write a movie that isn’t moved forward by passing around the idiot ball. Characters can take reasonable actions, and still have stuff go wrong and have to take new reasonable actions to adjust.
If the hero just minded his own business and did nothing, no one dies and his wife is never in danger but millions of dollars worth of bonds are stolen. It's a fair trade off, and might have even saved their marriage.
The Day Of The Jackal
Based on a book with no actual heroes. Just a cold-blooded assassination attempt. This isn't the type of movie I'm referring to, though I should have said "almost every single movie..." or "hero movies".
Rope
Uh...yeah...
In the play, two homosexual college students become fascinated by their philosophy professor’s ideas about the “innate superiority” of some people over others. Convinced they have found a victim who is inferior to them, they murder him, conceal his body in an unlocked trunk in their apartment, and then throw a dinner party with the trunk as the brazen centerpiece of the living room.
That's just a whole lot of fucked up. No heroes there, except maybe someone not realizing they are friends with psychopaths that have a dead body in their living room.
Seven Samurai
The heroes lose 4 of their own. I'll give you this one, this is the most realistic depiction of a hero movie.
The Martian
Poor mission planning. They can monitor, predict, and plan for dust storms on Mars today. But in the future, all that goes out the window when humans are involved? This entire scenario depends on someone not doing their job properly.
Nahh, that’s just cheap Hollywood shit that’s written so poorly.
It’s hard to tell living in the US, because our media is dominated by Hollywood. You only get to see the one or two gems that get shat out randomly once a decade sitting amongst a giant field of dumbed down Disney fairy tales. That’s if the gems were even advertised all that well in the first place. So much ADD advertising that spoils the climax of the movie ‘and’ gives you the wrong idea of the plot, it’s impossible to tell what’s actually good without watching it.
Hmm, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a movie in theaters, let alone a hidden gem or grossly misadvertised one. I try to avoid ads like the plague.
The only recentish thing that comes to mind is Barbarian, but I don’t think I even saw an ad for it. Not one I paid attention to. Just went randomly, it was not as expected, and we had fun not taking it too seriously anyways, which seems appropriate for that movie.
Others elsewhere in the convo are making some banger recommends, though.
Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.
Infinity War has its faults. It’s paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it’s the perfect movie for me. I swear – the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that’s because of the connection to the characters. We can always say “oh they’re coming back” but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.
There are too many. The other day I saw the latest flash movie. It’s the second? Third? Fourth? I don’t know because they don’t put a number and I don’t care enough. Too many stuff referenced other movies or series making watching a bit of a hassle. Is this just unknown and will be told later for making the movie interesting, or it’s because the audience is supposed to having watched 40 hours of previous works?
If they really need to push a new superhero movie or series every 2 months, their stories should be self contained, at most separated in a trilogy. Not an infinite parallel universe constantly self referenced that needs a guide that tells you which content you need to watch and in which order.
This is why the whole “marvel vs DC” thing is fucking stupid. Most people don’t know or care about that difference, they just know they saw a shitty superhero movie. Better movies overall help both companies.
Lol I’m so out of touch that only now I noticed it’s DC
LOL that’s why there was batman at the beginning
I was genuinely thinking it was Marvel ignoring all the references to the justice league. Like, my mind shutted off at the beginning of the movie, just watching the action but ignoring the story
If anything the peak was infinity wars. But tbh just finished watching s02 of loki and it's absolutely excellent. I have tons of critique but still it's very good.
You keep talking of me as if I was a bot, which is sort of dehumanising. And by reading your other comments I can tell you for sure that indeed I am not your fan.
Sure, fucko. I pressed submit and the site brought me back to the same page, so i thought it didn't go through. How old are you? Have you never seen this happen on the internet? It's due to the platform being new and not having anything to prevent this behaviour.
It’s possible that they thought the first one didn’t post and kept trying. Sometimes you get a timeout error and return to the editable text with the post button again but the post already went through.
Look, I love spaghettification porn as much as the next guy, but Loki was a mess. The story was gobbldygook. I could not see any good interpretation of all the stuff about purifying non-übermensch timelines. The Wilson / Hiddleston chemistry was great, really that’s the only reason to keep watching.
Marvel films are the popcorn flicks of the 2010s. None of them are masterpieces, but most are just a fun watch.
But now they’re often not even that. Besides a few outliers (No Way Home, GOTG3), they fail to even be entertaining popcorn flicks. I’d say the line is National Treasure. If it’s better than National Treasure, that’s a solid popcorn flick. If it’s worse, then it’s not worth watching.
It’s certainly no The Mummy (Brendan and Rachel obviously, not Tom’s shitty effort that killed the whole “Dark Universe” franchise two movies in), which is about where I draw the line on popcorn guff.
Guardians had the things I hate about MCU but was entertaining enough to be enjoyable, because they leaned in to how wacky it was I think. Rest of MCU was just done to a crisp even then.
Yeah I’d say they were pretty bad and then got worse. They were agreeable movies for a diverse group at one point, even if they weren’t all Marvel-heads. The Joss Whedon style of quippy self-referencing dialogue and unlikable protagonists is their major weak point, it got old between Firefly getting cancelled and the first Marvel movie but hadn’t been overdone in pop culture yet apparently.
An MCU sex scene:
“That was so hot how you did that thing 3 scenes ago …I guess we’re alone now”
“Yeah… this is the part in a movie where sex happens…”
“I suppose if sex were going to happen, we would start like this…”
Nobody says they were masterpieces. But they were entertaining - and excellent at it as far as cheap entertainment goes -, now they’re just sad to watch. I followed it closely until No Way Home, that was my closing point. From now on, I’ll only watch Spider-Man movies because I’m a huge fan of the character. Couldn’t care less about the multiverse they’re selling
That and No Way Home were going to be the last I was going to watch, and I’m still trying to work up the energy (?) to watch the latter. I will, eventually, I guess, but with the Spiderverse movies being A Thing, it feels pointless.
Oh they do be selling it that’s for sure. I haven’t checked in to Spider Man since Enter the Spiderverse, which I thought was really cool. Marvel I didn’t even like the style of the first movies, but I felt obligated to see them since I was technically part of what is now “nerd culture,” and I think a lot of us felt the same obligation to see them for nerd cred. Now they’ve just commodified it to shit and milking every drop they can out of it.
Hard agree. The others just don’t give any characters enough to time to do anything other than show, do a bit of fan service, and fuck off again. Endgame is a complete clusterfuck.
The only things that have been anywhere near that good since are the Spiderman (maybe not the middle one) and Guardians of the Galaxy (James Gunn is just at home doing this stuff) movies.
I wanted the Taika Waititi and Sam Raimi films to be a lot better than they were, and they just feel too constrained by the House of Mouse for the kind of directors they are.
Is this a staged joke? Is everyone here in some conspiracy to make me believe that either the world went mad or I did? Why is everyone calling every Marvel movie “peak” but the first Iron Man? Obviously, this was the best one.
I bought the official soundtrack and listened to it on my MiniDisc every morning on the way to college! Pumped me up ready for the days battle against vampires (and maths) :D
Ma…ma… Marvel movies are mostly redundant bullshit without even a single relevant thought in them. Just like these mass-produced romcoms, same level. They will probably be the first movies written and produced by inferior AI soon and it won’t even make a big difference.
The worst part of Marvel movies is how they expect you to remember everything from every other Marvel movie and TV show going back to Iron Man in 2008. I gave up after a while. I can’t keep all of that in my memory and I should be able to skip the ones that are less interesting to me and not get confused in a movie that isn’t a sequel to those.
Ya know, I’m actually okay with that. Up to endgame it wasn’t really all that much. You had Ironman x3, GoG x2, Strange x1, Thor x3, Spiderman x1 (x2 if you want to watch the one right after endgame), Captain America x3, Avengers x3, Ant-Man x2, and Black Panther, all of which set you up for endgame. Thats… a grand total of 20 movies, plus the spiderman right after endgame.
Is that a lot? Sure, 40-50 hours. But let one company have a cool, big, tied together place in movies. I liked my invincible comic read. One book, straight through from beginning to end. I also liked when I read through the Marvel Ultimate comics, with about four or five of the serials that I was reading interweaving. I can’t think of any other setting that was tied together like that in movies. The closest you’d get would be the television types, with a few hundred episodes.
I’ll agree that the tv show styles were too much. I personally couldn’t even watch the first trial of those, the agents of shield, right? That first episode was just such terrible writing. I definitely don’t want to take that 40-50 hours (over 11 years, too, so that helps) and multiply by exponential scales.
My memory can’t handle the intimate details from 20 movies. That’s the problem. They make references to things in movies that happened a decade ago and expect people to remember them. So sure, tying them all together can be fun- if you can do it without expecting people to get the constant references. Honestly, I spend half the time in Marvel movies wondering what the fuck they’re talking about lately.
Here’s a mnemonic technique that I have found works: Nothing about Marvel movies is worth remembering.
You’re watching the dramatic equivalent of that retouched Ecce Homo painting, a mass media product constructed by Hollywood on top of the palimpsest of the creative output of young Jewish men trying to come to grips with feelings of powerlessness in the aftermath of the Holocaust. Nothing much of the original remains, and it’s not worth looking at, beyond remarking at its absurdity.
I’m a big One Piece fan. One piece has thousands of characters many with fleshed out back stories. They all feel fresh and unique and the universe is coherent. But marvel? Most if not all super heroes are interchangeable and the universe makes no sense.
That’s a perfectly valid criticism of most manga, One Piece included. Especially shonen manga. The “same-face” issue is part of the reason anime and manga have women with crazy hair colors. It’s easier to color code a character than give them a distinct face.
Well I know nothing about One Piece, but the way they do it in Marvel is absurd. I was lucky I had Disney+ at the time and saw Wandavision or the Doctor Strange sequel would have made no sense. And it was shortly after realizing that when I gave up. I honestly don’t know why I stayed with it for so long.
I thought comic book movies were in decline until the Batman came out. The question is if Marvel is willing to part from their generic formula so their movies feel fresh.
Marvel needs some good direction from a management level, they need to build an Avengers team of writers who can really think of an overarching plot and have an end goal. They keep introducing new characters and then just don’t use them at all (where is Shang Chi?), their IP is spread out too much across unnecessary TV shows, they need to get their budget under control because somehow everything costs a billion, and their end product is worsened by the fact that their VFX teams are being overrun. This is Kevin Feige’s time to shine more than ever and he needs to show Disney that he can earn that pay.
Exactly. I was a big fan of the Batman, adapting the neo noir feel really helped it stand out.
Disney is kind of starting to figure this out on the star wars side with Andor and the Mandalorian. Creating unique stories with varying, structure, genre and tone. Every marvel movie just feels so generic and blends into every other, gets boring. Wanda vision had a glimmer of genius before devolving back to generic marvel meh stuff.
I didn’t really care for the movies until Thanos made an appearance. Right now is like the prelims. Once we get to the main card when the next main boss comes, I’m going to be hyped again.
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