AI_toothbrush,

Yeah but they are stupid. Its the same in my country. People are simply sheep so they vote for the person who they see the most in ads and thats the guy who distroyed our economy and does racist and homophobic stuff…

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Every “good person” I know of every political strip is horrifically cruel and violent towards intelligent creatures many times a day. Absolutely needlessly. And they deal with this by simply not thinking about it.

SuckMyWang,

Do you think there are some that are trying to balance everything as best they can? As in if they had to chose to cut health or housing you’re going to be an asshole either way

jerkface, (edited )
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Every single one of them are needlessly – absolutely needlessly and to their own great detriment – participating in atrocity against thinking, feeling creatures who once had the capacity to love them. There’s no question of balance. Everyone loses.

SuckMyWang, (edited )

I agree I think they are on a poor trajectory. I can’t see how calling them evil and disgusting is going to change their behaviour. We’ve done that. It doesn’t seem to work. If anything they wear it as a badge of pride because they don’t believe a word of what we are saying. I can only see a solution of showing patience and compassion to those who have been misled and being resolute in calling out the bullshit from the people using them. If we can reach the ones who are good and have been misled more might wake up after them. There will be no possibility of a majority or power and their party will be forced to change or cease to exist. And you’re right everyone loses. Do you want everyone to lose or do you want to be the bigger person. It sucks but there’s no fire with fire. It’s a race to the bottom and we’re already on our way

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

I can’t see how calling them evil and disgusting is going to change their behaviour.

You read that in.

SuckMyWang,

Sorry, what are you saying?

jerkface, (edited )
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

read into
vb (tr, preposition) to discern in or infer from a statement meanings not intended by the speaker or writer
www.thefreedictionary.com/read+into

You read “calling them evil and disgusting” into the text. It was not there.

SuckMyWang,

That was not my intention. I suppose after reading everyone’s comments that was the general vibe I was getting from most people. I apologise if that was not this individual comments intentions.

jerkface, (edited )
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s just been you and me, man. If you go back and try to re-interpret, I think you can see my view that the people we label “good” and “bad” are more a reflection of our human or selfish needs of them than of their moral worth. We need to see the people around us, especially those we are emotionally attached to, as good even though by an objective standard, they are all likely actively participating in atrocity and pretending they are not. Being seen as “good” has more to do with moral fashion than actually working towards some set of values from first principles.

SuckMyWang, (edited )

Ok so I’m on the same page now, I think when you wrote the are horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures is where I read in the evil and disgusting. Tbh I’m not sure how being horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures isn’t evil and disgusting. Still I’m making a lot of assumptions. Can you clarify by what you mean by being horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures? Is there a particular event or policy or is it a generalisation, if it’s a generalisation can you point me to some examples, thanks

jerkface, (edited )
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

Please be careful. If you watch this, it has the potential to cause you trauma. But this is the reality most people carefully ignore.

SuckMyWang, (edited )

This is a good doco. And you are right that the reality is people just don’t care enough to keep it in the front of their brain. I do have a question though. If intelligence is the criteria for whether or not it’s cruel to kill or harm another life form, would it be considered better to kill a less intelligent animal over a more intelligent one?

BeneGesseritWitch,
@BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works avatar

Some republicans think they are good people. There, fixed it for ya

Dio,
@Dio@lemy.lol avatar

It’s hilariously ridiculous to know that those who downvoted this post can not accept such a simple reality.

SuckMyWang, (edited )

It is odd to observe. It’s like the idea of being right or wrong has zero nuance to these people and the only viewpoint is being 100% right about everything but then again, may be I’m wrong about that

CountryBreakfast,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

How can something so vague and superfluous be reality shattering?

Dubois_arache,
@Dubois_arache@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

very few*

TransplantedSconie,

Like zero.

Hello_there,

"I'm a good person. I just don't believe that kids should get food from the govt. So what if some kids are a little hungry. Their parents need to work harder"

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

As Jesus wanted

Hello_there,

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth wash my car"

Imgonnatrythis,

Well this is just anectodotal you guys, but my mom is a Republican

And totally not a good person.

Facebones,

My Dad is a Republican, and over COVID commented on my post about BLM that “protestors wouldn’t be a problem if we just gunned them down.”

Ghost33313,
@Ghost33313@kbin.social avatar

The good ones are usually very misguided people, oblivious to what they are really up to in my experience.

MenKlash, (edited )
@MenKlash@kbin.social avatar

Every person who think that their vote (in a representative democracy) matters, is a victim of the illusion of universal participation in the use of institutional coercion, that is, the state.

However, what makes the state different from other coercive entities, such as organized crime groups, is that it enjoys some form of popular legitimacy. In other words, in addition to enslaving its inhabitants physically, it needs to secure their mental servitude as well.

Narrrz,

some republicans are good people in the same way some cops are good cops.

... ARAC

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

All Republicans Are Cops?

rynzcycle,

Somehow less awkward than if he got it right...

Narrrz,

you got the last letter of the C-word right, but it's one letter too short.

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

All Republicans Are Chops

SuckMyWang,

Good analogy. Imagine if there were no good cops

Narrrz,

unfortunately, I entirely lack imagination. happily, however, this is not a case where one is needed.

ReCursing,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

There are a few but we must assume all cops are bastards as a matter of self defence because the consequences of being wrong about it are atrocious. But you know that, don't you?

SuckMyWang, (edited )

I do but I’m open to there being good ones. Assume they’re bad but be open to the idea there might be good ones

ReCursing,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

Any individual cop may prove they specifically are not bad right now, but keep your guard up because it only takes a bad day to change that, and/or the system and constant exposure to bad cops and stupid laws and criminals to grind them down

Jaysyn,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Only if they don't vote for .

Introversion,

If they don’t want to vote for fascists, they shouldn’t be in the Republican party.

Facebones,

“We’re good people, we just vote for politicians openly calling for violence and retribution upon all their political enemies and fellow Americans, and vote to make people different from us illegal, and vote to strip every safety net to pass directly to the 1%, and vote to protect our God given right to clear an elementary school in 20 minutes with an AR, etc etc etc”

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.social avatar

"We vote Republican cause it's a habit at this point"

Mr_Fish,

Are you saying “some republican voters are good people” or “some republican politicians are good people”?

For the first one, that’s probably true but irrelevant. I think most republican voters are trying to do good with their vote, but they’ve got so caught up in Republican fascism that they honestly think voting red is good.

For the second one, I highly doubt it. They don’t have the cult behavior excuse, so at best, they’re completely selfish, enough to put their job security over the lives of others.

SuckMyWang,

I agree strongly with you. The problem is weak leadership from the republicans. The people are just along for the ride on the most part. If the politicians weren’t so spineless and scared of losing their own power they might actually stand up to the shit ones for what they believe in

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Then you shouldn’t just vote republican or democrat, but as an american. I don’t label myself as either one - but over the last several elections the choice has been obviously democrat because of the republicans trying to seize power so much. If they could modernize their platform at all I would think about voting for them - but they’re stuck in the 1950s.

So to cut power stop voting on party lines. Show that you’ll vote based on who has the best ideas, not a simple “I’ll always vote R”

Rhynoplaz,

Everybody else is shooting you down here, But I’ll meet you in the middle with an even harder to swallow pill.

There are Republicans who AREN’T BAD people, they are just ignorant. Not stupid, necessarily, but ignorant and uneducated. They might think they’re doing good but they are very very wrong.

SuckMyWang,

Yes this is what I believe but im not right all the time either so I try to listen. Often it will just confirm what I thought to begin with but sometimes a see it a bit different

AmberPrince,
@AmberPrince@kbin.social avatar

I worked with a guy that was a hard-core conservative, like just shy or real far-right talking points. Anyway he told me he doesn't watch the news. Not that he only watches fox news, I mean he doesn't watch any news at all. He gets his information from Facebook and tiktok

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