Ragdoll_X,
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Well yeah Andy Ngo does literally hang out with fascists so that’s a given lol

pingveno,

It was so frustrating watching some people treat him like he was anything close to a real journalist. He’s just the designated propagandist.

ummthatguy,
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Mr_Dr_Oink,

I seem to recall seeing a video or reading an article where they mention that the media turned antifa into a sort of separate word to warp its meaning. Instead of saying anti fascist, which has a clear meaning, they shortened it and changed the pronunciation ‘an teefa’ (something to do with which syllable you emphasise) so they could distort its meani g and demonise the word to make people think it was bad.

So now people dont realise antifa means anti fascist which is surely a good thing to be, and instead, they fear antifa as some kind of terrorist group, which is almost the opposite of what it is.

The funny thing is, as an outsider to this, living in the UK, our media doesn’t ever use the term, and when i heard it, my instinct was to look up its meaning. It’s interesting to me that i won’t know if i would have fallen for it if the media were using it in the same way over here to lead my understanding of its definition

LarmyOfLone,

I think Antifa actually started in the UK even before the Nazi’s. Eh actually not but they did fight against fascists in the UK as early as 1930.

The reason why we need antifa and why it’s hated by the mainstream is because the establishment is notoriously bad at stopping fascism. There is a long history of it. So besides liberal antifa that uses legal means like suing the KKK out of existence, the autonomous antifa is actually needed for the continued working of our democracy.

aeharding,
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Be careful when you punch a fascist. You might hurt your hand/wrist. Best to read up ahead of time.

www.wikihow.com/Stop-Wrist-Pain-when-Punching

KpntAutismus,

this is the kind of black and white thinking lemmy does best.

dudinax,

You’re not pro-fascist, you’re just against people trying to stop the fascists. Thank god for nuance.

KpntAutismus, (edited )

i hate fascists with a passion, but i might not agree with how antifa acts. i do not have any experience with the group itself, i might even agree with them.

for example, i do not like how the last generation glued themselves to streets. that doesn’t make me a climate denier, does it?

EDIT: it seems i misunderstood what antifa is. i always saw it as “the group of violent extremist protesters that throw rocks and light up cars”

again, i am fully for doing everything i can against fascists. but violent protests don’t contribute, all it does is make your movement the next boogeyman.

bloubz,

How is this related to antifascist action?

Quadhammer,

Is a burning car really worse than fucking over the next 15 generations and the planet

CyberEgg,

There is no singular group called “antifa”. It’s a movement of loosely (at best) interconnected but independent, antifascist groups.
Also, we need all these groups. It’s them who usually organize rallies against racism, fascism, antisemitism, inhuman law proposals, et cetera. Also they organize all sorts of other actions against alt right, far right and (neo-)nazis, like disrupting their rallies and standing in the way of goon squads.
Antifa groups are damn important.

tatterdemalion,
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Anti-antifa does not subscribe to the law of the excluded middle, so double negation elimination does not apply.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I’m anti-anti-antifa.

Tb0n3,

Anti-antifa only means you’re against the people claiming to be anti-fascist. It doesn’t mean you like fascism. Nor does being antifa mean everything you’re against is fascism.

pifox,

I think it should be noted, the difference between antifa the organization and antifa the philosophy.

I am very much ideologically anti-fascist and I believe I would take up arms against a fascist government, however antifa the org has made some questionable calls in the past.

odium,

There is no overarching antifa organization though. Try looking for a website/forum/etc of antifa. There are websites for random local activist groups which call themselves <city name> antifa, but there is no leader or comittee overseeing these groups. There is no process to join antifa, any activist group or individual can call themselves antifa.

So there are no calls made by antifa, good or bad. There are only calls made by individuals or local groups that call themselves antifa.

pifox, (edited )

Fair. I think you can understand them as a group still, similarly to how you can see anonymous as a group.

I don’t think I’m educated enough to say anything against the group as a whole, as I haven’t sat down to do a lot of research on them (I’m realizing now that my comment was made from a BS bias that I had picked up from when I was a conservative).

however I don’t think the logic of the source meme on it’s own shows someone as fascist just because they oppose the antifa orginization.

can,

(I’m realizing now that my comment was made from a BS bias that I had picked up from when I was a conservative).

Damn that’s refreshing to read.

odium,

I do agree that someone isn’t a fascist if they disagree with antifa. I was just talking about the part where you talked about antifa the organization.

some_guy,

Best math course I’ve taken since schooling.

TacoButtPlug,
@TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s crazy how many people just on this meme think antifa is an actual organization. 🤦

PatFussy,

What’s a fascist mean to you nerds anyways? Like what does it even mean to be anti fascist?

A7thStone,

Hey I recognize you. You show up all over JAQing off and concern trolling.

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