i_stole_ur_taco,

Trying to make a fitbull joke work and I’m coming up short.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Here we see a dog which want to put his owner in a small bag

https://file.coffee/u/wpNLMmxn0fFcYBLXmylV2.jpg

Pyr_Pressure,

Well, pitbulls aren’t dangerous, bad trainers with a pitbull are dangerous.

This guy is clearly a good trainer with a pitbull.

jackpot,
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

dogshit take

BigBananaDealer,

what does this mean? take someones dogs shit? the dog took a shit? use more words please

Cockmaster6000,

Are you saying that pits are trained to be dangerous, or that they are dangerous unless properly trained?

zaph,

I’m not who you asked but it’s been 4 hours and I don’t think they’re coming back. Imo pits are dangerous unless properly trained. I have 2 I rescued as puppies and if I let them do whatever the fuck they wanted they’d either he shot or put down by now. They’re good dogs but require attention or else they’ll be bad dogs. Kind of like huskies.

dingleberry,

So DOOM on a subway? Rip and tear.

shunir,

If it is stupid but it works, it isn’t stupid.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
SnowBunting,

That looks so uncomfortable

Stuka,

He could have found something with more than a string for a handle. That’s gotta hurt to carry.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Looks improvised imo. Maybe he didn’t know and had to bag the dog somehow . At least the dog looks pretty comfy lol

tchotchony,

Maybe for short times, but I’ve heard about dogs getting paralyzed at the groomers’ from being put in a harness for too long. Veins get pinched. And that’s with a harness meant for dogs, not something improvised like this.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

I hope it was a short trip, for both of them.

It’s really a good contrast to OP’s pic.

jose1324,

Does literally no one know what a pitbull is? That’s not one

some_designer_dude,

I’m not a dog scientist, but there’s pitbull in that dog.

jose1324,

Good thing you’re not one then

Daft_ish,

Trained? That pit just found its new favorite mode of transportation.

XpeeN,

meanwhile me with a 50kg dog :X

Nerdybynature,
@Nerdybynature@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad dogs are so normalized, this isn’t even a thing anymore. They’ll be just chilling next to their owner.

jack,

The NYC subway banned dogs on trains unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitbull to sit in a small bag

Empricorn,

Big if true.

beefcat,

The NYC subway banned dogs on trains unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitbull to sit in a small bag

vale,

The NYC subway banned dogs on trains unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitbull to sit in a small bag

turbowafflz,

The NYC subway banned small bags on trains unless they fit into a dog, so this guy trained his Pitbull to let a small bag sit in it.

Fog0555,

The NYC dog banned subways on dogs unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitway to sit in a small bag.

z500,
@z500@lemmy.world avatar

Yo dawg I herd you like dogs, so I put a subway on your dog so you can subway while you dog

Persen,

You can have meat as well, portable cow. If you don’t like it anymore, just eat it.

Haywire,

This is a funny place. Weird what people upvote and downvote.

Empricorn,

Right, like dumb anti-jokes that don’t contribute to the discussion…

Haywire,

I don’t know what that means.

The_Eminent_Bon,

That’s why I prefer a beef stroganoff. They fit nicely in a bag

craftyindividual,

It conforms to any shape you pour it into.

SoaringDE,

I love all the cute animal in bags pictures coming from New York because of this rule. I still think that was the main reason they implemented this

VikingHippie, (edited )

Cue all the “pit bulls are predetermined to be unstoppable killing machines and should never be allowed in public” nonsense comments 🙄

Adorable pup though ❤️

NotSoCoolWhip,

They are tho. Look at stats.

vaultdweller013,

But its not a crab, how can it be good if at anything if no crabiness?

DaTingGoBrrr,

That’s like saying driving a sports car is more dangerous than a regular car. In some sense, yes it is, but at the same time it’s not the cars fault that the driver irresponsible.

NotSoCoolWhip,

No, it’s like saying garbage trucks haul more garbage than normal vehicles. Because while people may transport trash in their vehicles, dump trucks were created for the specific purpose of hauling trash.

VikingHippie, (edited )

No they aren’t. They’re only a problem when not raised right. They DO need a firmer hand in training like literally every strong breed, which not all owners realise and take into account, but neglecting that isn’t their fault, it’s on the bad owners.

squaresinger,

You pointed out the solution: nobody should be allowed to keeep a dog unless they can prove they know how to correctly train and keep a dog. If the owners are the problem, the owners should be held accountable.

VikingHippie,

I completely agree. Can we stop with the rampant defamation of usually sweet dogs, then?

squaresinger,

Well, as long as we cannot be sure whether a dog owner has done their duty and properly trained the dog, we can never be sure whether a stranger’s dog is well trained or a purpously-trained killing machine. Or anything in between.

VikingHippie,

By that logic, we should ban cars, motorcycles, boats, aeroplanes, horses and almost all other dogs

Good luck with that…

squaresinger,

Come to think about that: to operate a car, motorcycle, boat or aeroplane you need to get a license, proving that you know what you are doing. Depending on vehicle and jurisdiction, you might even need to re-take tests frequently. All of these vehicles (in most jurisdictions) require frequent inspections and if they fail these inspections, you are no longer allowed to operate them.

Also, there are very stringent laws on how you are allowed to operate these vehicles, with really harsh fines for violations of these laws.

Looks like your stance on dog ownership is much more hardcore than mine, but I could get behind that.

jose1324,

Getting a license in america is not hard or stringent at all lmao.

squaresinger,

Another issue that should be taken care of. But have you tried getting an aircraft license?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You have to license dogs too. In both cases, a license does not mean safety.

strobel,

Were you personally attacked by a pit bull, or was someone who’s close to you attacked? Your stance comes across as really paranoid, like you have a reason to fear dogs.

squaresinger,

I was attacked multiple times by dogs and I don’t care what race they are. All dogs in public should be on a leash and muzzled.

And every time I was attacked I was just walking down the road and some random dog without leash or muzzle just attacked and bit me. And every time the owner was like “The dog has never done anything like that”. That totally makes everything better. I always felt so honored that I was the first one that dog hurt. I still got scars on my shoulder from that one time and that was almost 20 years ago.

I don’t think breed-based laws are a good idea, because they make it look like every other breed is not dangerous.

I think, all dogs should be leashed and muzzled in public and all owners should have to get a license that includes a test and yearly inspections first.

strobel,

That’s extremely unfortunate. Of the many many dogs I’ve come across, big & small, including a few strays that I was unwise to approach so casually, I’ve never been bitten or attacked. Perhaps I was merely fortunate. Knowing what you’ve gone through, your stance is understandable, although I don’t entirely agree with it. Yes, all dogs in public should be leashed, although I find it unnecessary to put a muzzle on all but the largest dogs who have the actual strength to cause serious harm. I definitely don’t agree with any sort of licensing or routine inspection for dog owners, but I get why you would think this is necessary… perhaps its best if we simply agree to disagree.

squaresinger,

The issue is that for every good dog owner who trains their dog, puts it on a leash in public, picks up the dog shit and makes sure their dog can’t cause trouble, there is also some idiot who got a dog on a whim, mistreats it and doesn’t train it at all.

And most often the people who don’t care for training their dog are also the people who don’t care to secure the dog in public places.

I know that’s a generalisation and there probably are some counter examples. But a “don’t care” attitude generally runs through everything a person does.

And having a dog is a multiplier of what trouble that “don’t care” attitude can cause.

That’s why I am for licensing/inspections. For someone who does care it probably won’t change much. They already go to a training course with their dog. Just give them a license for completing the training/make that training mandatory if you don’t want to call it a license.

Any reasonable dog owner will be at vet in regular intervals anyway. Just let the vet not only check whether the dog is physically fit, but also if it obeys it’s owner and if it shows signs of abuse. And make that checkup mandatory. It’s better for the dogs anyway if they get their health checked regularly.

I see why you think it’s not necessary, because you might be the kind of dog owner who cares and then it’s just additional hassle. But, as I said, there are many who don’t care, even if in your bubble (and I don’t mean this word negatively) everyone cares for their dogs.

Daft_ish, (edited )

Man, I have to wonder, what are your thoughts on gun control? I mean the yearly dog inspector is great but like, what about social services? You think there is room in the budget to provide care for the less fortunate?

squaresinger,

Social services don’t pay for your dog’s vet. Why should it pay for other dog expenses?

Regarding gun control, I luckily live in a country with decent gun control laws. So our death rate due to gun violence in peace time doesn’t resemble the civilian casulty rate in some war zones.

Daft_ish, (edited )

So how will you actually regulate it without a department of dog liscencing?

Let me add, we are talking about millions of dogs.

squaresinger,

You can have a department for something like that. But it doesn’t have to be funded by the tax payer. That’s what license fees are there for. Works great for cars already (at least where I am from).

But seriosly, “but regulation costs money” is a pretty weak argument, because everything costs money.

Daft_ish,

Don’t get me wrong. You put in a dog licensing facility I am all for it. I just think, and please correct me, the amount of political capital people would have to invest could be spent elsewhere and provide much greater returns.

squaresinger,

That makes sense what you are saying. The real question is how the majority of the population sees the issue.

Take for example smoking bans in restaurants and public buildings. In my county this was something the politicians didn’t want to do for a very long time because they feared the backlash of the smokers. But after a very successful public petition for enacting a smoking ban they did some surveys and found out that almost 70% of the population was for such a ban.

They then enacted the ban and all the smokers where like “The restaurants are all going to die”. Then the ban came and it was just business as usual. Nothing bad happened and actually, revenue increased because more non-smokers came to the restaurants.

I don’t have statistics on how many people would want stronger regulation of dogs, and that value might vary a lot between places. Depending on the circumstances (e.g. if it happens after a particularly gruesome dog attack) stuff like that might not even need too much political capital.

For example, after a pitbull killed a toddler who was just walking down the road, the city where I live enacted compulsory leashes in all public places. There was no shitstorm against it.

jose1324,

You mean those weird ass stats where they even agree that evidence is based off of looking at a picture where they admit they barely know it half the time?

Those statistics?

NotSoCoolWhip,

Why is it controversial to point out that pitbulls bite more because they were bred for it?

My Australian shepherd herds things, never taught them that. Retrievers retrieve things. Pitbulls maul things. That’s what they were all bred for.

Now if you really want to do some research look up how much money is spent on pro - Pitbull lobbying and misinformation

strobel,

Could you please provide those stats? Skimming thru the Wikipedia article on pit bulls, it seems there’s no clear evidence that pit bulls are significantly more dangerous that other dog breeds of similar size.

201dberg,
@201dberg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

dogsbite.org/…/2009-dog-attack-deaths-maminings-m…

You mean these stats from a 32 your study of US and Canada from 1982 to 2009 that shows over 60% of dog attacks from from pitbulls? Here’s a collections of yearly reported dog attacks.

dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php

Here’s a few studies on the medical significance of dog bites and breed.

nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/…/medical-stud…

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/

researchgate.net/…/51034290_Mortality_Mauling_and…

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261032/

plasticsurgery.org/…/complex-dog-bites-in-childre…

And how about breed specific behavior studies?

…biomedcentral.com/…/s12864-016-2936-3

www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/509315v1

researchgate.net/…/233995885_Breed_differences_in…

These are just a few of dozens of studies and reports that have been done on dogs attacks and biology.

The Fifth Estate also has a good video with proponents of both sides. youtu.be/iFa8HOdegZA

NotSoCoolWhip,

Don’t use Wikipedia as your source, that’s rule number one. Look at the cdc

Empricorn,

Shhhh… I won’t let those troublesome facts and statistics hurt you.

VikingHippie,

I’ve seen them all and none of them prove that it’s inherent to all of them rather than the fault of their owners not being up to the job.

Cockmaster6000,

Which job are the owners not up to doing?

VikingHippie, (edited )

Training and keeping control of their dogs. Like any breed, pit bulls have needs in order to be happy and well-adjusted dogs. Relevant here is that, just like any strong dog with the possible exception of some of the gentle giants, they need extra discipline and a firmer touch in training.

A properly trained and socialised pit bull that’s treated well will not attack people or other dogs, whereas untrained and/or not properly socialised dogs of ANY breed are likely to develop problem behaviour, which can include aggression.

Cockmaster6000,

Why do pits need “extra discipline” but labradors don’t?

A properly trained and socialised pit bull that’s treated well will not attack people or other dogs,

This is a tautological argument, because every pit who attacks another animal or person will just be written off as “improperly trained”.

strobel, (edited )

Any big & powerful dog with a strong bite like the pit bull has the capacity to seriously harm & potentially kill a person, and since you can’t count on every pit bull owner to responsibly train their pets, they do become a liability when in public. Pit bulls are also a popular breed in the illegal dogfighting scene, so violently dangerous dogs that have been bred to be violently dangerous are guaranteed to exist.

Even so, it’s rather unfair to treat every single pit bull like a menace when non-aggressive pit bulls that are affectionate towards strangers are not uncommon. Laws requiring big dogs to be muzzled should suffice; banning the entire breed from public (or, in some places, from even existing) seems excessive to me.

Edit: …well, at least in this comment, most of my points still stand. I should add that pit bulls are not only popular for dogfighting, but also a favorite of criminals in general, so much so that their demand is actively driving the breed to be even more violently dangerous than ever before. This has become such a serious problem that unaggressive pit bulls are nowadays unlikely to be purebred.

I guess it’s still unfair to treat every single pit bull (or, rather, every dog that resembles a pit bull) like a menace, but it’d also be unfair to blame anyone for treating them as such, so long as breeders continue to select for stronger, more aggressive, more dangerous traits.

squaresinger,

The correct way is to treat every big dog like a mennace.

strobel, (edited )

If a big dog is calmly walking beside its owner on a leash & is well-behaved, why treat it like a menace, especially if it’s also wearing a muzzle? Otherwise, I’d agree that we all should be wary around any dog, regardless of size, that’s wandering on its own or acting strangely.

squaresinger,

Putting a dog on a leash and muzzle it is how I’d treat a mennace. So I think we are mostly in agreement ;)

ChronosWing,

All dogs should be leashed when in public regardless of size, breed or training.

squaresinger,

Total agreement.

spongebue,

My friend’s pit bull got attacked by a Chihuahua and had no idea what to do about it except sulk all day after it was over. To me, blaming pit bulls for violence is like blaming BMWs for not using turn signals

strobel,

Exactly! Labradors and German shepherds, along with pit bulls, were responsible for more severe dog bites than other breeds, yet I don’t see anyone demonizing labs & sheps like they do the pit bull. Its reputation is really undeserved.

ReluctantMuskrat,

I don’t think its undeserved at all. When it comes to fatal dog attacks, pit bulls are responsible for more than all the other breeds combined by a substantial margin. forbes.com/…/americas-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-i…

I’ve never known a pit bull that wasn’t sweet but that doesn’t dismiss the fact that a breed that was bred for violence can be dangerous. Many dogs may bite when upset or feel threatened. Pit bulls are known for continuing the attack in a frenzy and thus have a disproportionate number of deaths associated with them.

strobel,

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, there is no shortage of data which refutes this, and that’s not even mentioning the methodological errors that studies which both support & refute the perceived dangers of pit bulls tend to have.

As someone else mentioned, fatal dog attacks overall are rare, accounting for 30 to 50 deaths per year in the US. For comparison, lightning kills on average 28 people per year in the US. Even when making the contentious assumption that pit bulls are responsible for most fatal dog attacks, such fatal attacks are still unlikely to happen.

Please don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. Pit bulls can certainly be dangerous as a breed, but when compared to other dog breeds of comparable size, strength, & temperament, their reputation for being exceptionally violent & attacking “in a frenzy” is not only undeserved, it obscures the real danger of a trait that is (afaik) unique to most (but not all) pit bulls: they don’t make overtly threatening gestures before attacking like other dogs do, and the subtle cues they do show are often missed, giving the impression that the ensuing attack is sudden & impulsive. While this trait alone does make the breed more dangerous & requires special consideration from owners, all the ignorance & fearmongering about pit bulls only serves to needlessly multiply this danger more and further polarlizes the issue.

I’d say the continuing existence & tolerance (and, in some places, full legality & acceptance) of dogfighting is the real issue, as the people involved are the ones who train/torture dogs until they become the vicious monsters that make headlines. Sadly, it is far easier to blame & persecute all the dogs from a few irreputable breeds than it is to uproot the entrenched criminal & inhumane activity that actively strives to make those breeds as dangerous as they’re reputed to be.

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