Uniquitous,

And there are only 6 tracks, and also the CD was $20.

paultimate14,

They are typically 45-60 minutes. Which could be 1 long song, or 20+ short songs.

Uniquitous,

Dude, I was there. I lived it. Step off.

paultimate14,

Bruh I’m looking over at my shelf of CD’s from the time.

But let’s look at the best selling albums that came out in 1999, the year referenced in the meme.

  1. Backstreet Boys - Millennium - 12 tracks
  2. Britney Spears - Baby One More Time - 11 tracks (or more, depending on the version)
  3. Santana - Supernatural - 13 tracks
  4. Celine Dion - All the Way… A Decade of Song - 16 tracks (kind of weird as it’s a compilation)
  5. Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin - 14 Tracks
  6. Blink-182 - Enema of the State - 12 tracks
  7. RHCP - Calofornication - 15 tracks
  8. Christina Aguilera - Christina Aguilera - 12 tracks (I think? I’m only finding re-releases that include more bonus tracks now)
  9. Creed - Human Clay - 11 tracks
  10. Dido - No Angel - 12 tracks

Maybe back in the day you mistakenly bought singles instead of albums?

ThatFembyWho,

Hey that was the soundtrack to high school. I downloaded half of them on dialup, via Napster/Gnutella/whatever.

#7 is one of the only ones you’ll hear to this day.

abraxas,

Mostly THAT was EPs. Some of the best albums are EPs, but they’re short.

Rose for the Dead EP, was my favorite one. 6 songs.

NIN Broken was 8 songs.

A lot of punk albums have plenty of songs, but they’re so short some of them have terrible play times. OpIvy Energy (the first bootleg I ever had) is only about 35 minutes long and the whole thing mostly fit on one side of a (small) cassette tape.

I could probably find more, but that’s just off the top of my head.

paultimate14,

Isn’t that kind of the point of EP’s though? They’re ~half the length and should be cheaper to compensate for that.

abraxas,

“should be”

Of the above, I only remember Rose for The Dead… costing easily as much as an LP.

Uniquitous,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jar_of_Flies I rest my case you condescending asshat.

paultimate14,

As an EP that wouldn’t have been $20 lol.

Uniquitous,

As if you would even know.

paultimate14,

You’re just mad you got ripped off 25 years ago lol

ianhclark510,
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teamevil,

That fucking album is proof there was hope, except it bankrupted London Records which killed Grotüs’ career. They are a dope ass band I found in a CD store with throwaway CDs for a dollar in 99. Definitely worth it for them. YouTube Grotüs’ Mass.

ianhclark510,
@ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I thought Dopesmoker was released by Tee Pee lol

mathterdark,

Discovery of new music is so much easier now with Spotify/YouTube/etc. In the past you had a slim-to-none chance of coming across a band/artist/album outside your local scene, no matter what the genre. Back then you kind of had to be “in the know” for that to happen.

beastlykings,

Spotify maybe, I’ve never used it. And Google Play music used to be the best for this, but YouTube music has me stuck in a loop of my last 10 or 20 songs and I hate it.

If I’m listening to some techno, and I change gears to old school country/bluegrass for awhile, then, YouTube will never ever recommend techno to me again. Not unless I manually remember some of my favorite songs, search for them, and retrain it that I like techno. But then of course country slowly dies. God forbid I mix in hard rock, punk rock, or rap. It just confuses it more.

And it’s not just a genre problem, even within a genre of repeats the same dozen or two songs every time I open the app.

It’s not just me, I have a family plan and my brothers have both separately complained to me about the algorithms being worse than Google Play music, which is what we used to use.

I literally created a playlist called YouTube music sucks, where I save my most liked songs, so I can reseed the algorithm when I want a change of tunes. I need the playlist because I have a terrible memory and can’t remember all the songs I’ve liked.

Why don’t I change? Because I’m cheap, and it’s bundled with YouTube premium for the whole family. And it has no right to be as bad as it is. I keep thinking they’re gonna fix it, but I guess maybe people like being spoon fed their last 20 liked songs?

maltasoron,

Spotify is really good with recommendations. I think they use different algorithms for the different personal playlists: the Release Radar seems to use my followed artists and all my playlists, while Discover Weekly uses my recent listening history.

ackzsel,

$10 would get a you a CD where the 3rd track is also the last.

Rehwyn,

Yup. I seem to remember most mainstream albums were around $15-20 in the 1990s. Adjusted for inflation, that’d be about $28-37 today.

ComradeR,

I didn’t used internet in the 1990s. But I used it in the early 2000s and Kazaa was my music goldmine, even when I downloaded something I was looking for.

bobs_monkey,

Lincoln Park_Last Resort.mp3
drdre_ginandjuice.wma
Brittanyspearsboobs.exe

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

There were so many shitty albums I bought for $16 in the early 90s (even worse, that's like $30 now) and had the exact experience in the meme. Things like we loved the first Suicidal Tendencies album, bought the second and were 'wtf is this?' The only way we had to pick out death metal was based on the cover art and record label... put it in the CD player, okay, good guitar sound... just have to wait until the guy sings.... that pretty much decided it.

Diabolo96,

Death metal

wait until the guy sings

(。╯︵╰。)

MFW the main singer guttural scream isn’t as good as in the last album.

/jk

abraxas,

Sounds like a Theatre of Tragedy problem.

“Fuck that shit. We’ll fire the singer that put us on the map because she was only supposed to be a back-up, and then we’ll go full techno”.

(as you may guess, I never got over it. Also, I know this full-techno song was still w/ Liv Kristine, but they stayed techno-ey and I picked a song I don’t actually hate)

Diabolo96,

I tried to listen the song and it’s not really my cup of tea. It felt almost psychedelic.

I for the most cases , don’t enjoy any screaming and neither vocals for that matter. That’s why I mostly will only listen to instrumental pieces of the metal genre like the doom ost. Nothing else matters is an exception but that song is more of ballad.

abraxas,

Exactly! Compare to Rose for the Dead, which is arguably (ok, my opinion) the most solid “Beauty and the Beast” genre death metal song ever written.

Of course, there ARE vocals, but as I say, totally different genre.

Diabolo96,

The part from 1:09 to 1:18 was a pleasant surprise to my ears. The woman seems very talented and I totally understand why you’d feel like a it was a huge waste to fire her.

The start of the instrumental transported my mind into a bandit filled wasteland world. It’d fit soo well into ashe 2063 ( a free doom full conversions game that I highly recommend ) or at least watch a playthrough of. I guarantee you’d play it after watching a few minutes.

abraxas,

If you like that at all, their Aegis album features her much more heavily, if with somewhat less “growl”. She also has had a few bands since that did “okay” in Norway. Leaves’ Eyes does gothic twist on some traditional celtic.

Also, “Beauty and the Beast” death/doom are hard to find, but Cradle of Filth had a few phenomenal songs of that genre. Nymphetamine Fix is my favorite of theirs. It’s so hard to find good death or doom that fit my tastes.

I watched a little LP of ashe 2063. FPS’s don’t work well with me, but it seemed interesting. Me with gaming seems like you with music :) I don’t like “vocals” (action reflex games)

Diabolo96,

The dude growling voice wasn’t that bad the first time he sang. Later parts weren’t as good tho. The part at 1:22 till 1:45 was my favorite. Really digging the folklore feel.

I actually have really bad reflexes but most games allow to toggle the difficulty and juste enjoy the story with the exploration as the reward, not passing the challenges. I wish it was as easy to toggle the vocals off. So many songs I deeply enjoyed until someone sang and removed any joy listening to it, so i end up playing that first part over and over.

abraxas,

Yeah, IMO it’s definitely a step down from the growl voices I like, ex. Peter Steele or Raymond Rohonyi (but had to look him up, which shows how much more I respect Liv Kristine than him)

As for vocals. I’m so attached to vocals it’s hard for me to relate. Most music I listen to are the type of person you can immediately recognize if they sing a totally random song acapella. Everything from Enya to Celine Dion, Maynard to Trent Reznor to Peter Steele. Even bands I “kind of like” have that in common.

“Oh my god, that sounds like…” <–if I can’t say that if they do a cover or new release and I didn’t know, then I probably don’t like it.

Diabolo96,

We’re polar opposite. Nevertheless, I don’t hate all vocals, Celine Dion is indeed a phenomenal singer , but not everyone is a good singer nor have a good voice, and even then, the lyrics can be a turn-off. I have hyperphantasia and my mind tend to wonder whenever I listen to any song, vocal more often than not disrupt the process. My favorite genre is chiptune music.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

With a new band you never know. It could be a low, murky graaar like Immolation or Bolt Thrower… or a higher pitch like most Entombed (I prefer Clandestine where some bassist from another band sang, but most people don’t, for some reason). Or it could be like Deicide where the singer is mainly good then they cheapen it with this cheesy high pitched thing…. Carcass where the singer is h medium pitched and sounds good, then they also have a low guttural voice thrown in here and there, which was alright. Or maybe all is well and it’s the perfect Morbid Angel vocals.

teamevil,

Fucking Death metal was my counter to shitty alternative albums with one hit…30 years later I’m still a fan of grindcore/death metal/stoner metal…thank god for Relapse Records.

happyhippo,

At least you fucking OWN the thing, tho

Evotech,

Yet I don’t have any of them anymore

Ibex0,

I guess they’re in a closet… Deep in the back.

Ibex0,

CDs were up to $16 when I was making less that $10/hr at work. 😢

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

The better comparison with Spotify is that it’s a mafia that you pay $11 / month for the rest of your life and they give you a bunch of free music but if you ever stop paying, they’ll bust into your house and take it all away.

Vs. spending $10 for an album you might not like but you can sell it, give it to a friend, or put it in storage for 10 years until you find it during a move and realize your tastes changed and now this album fucking rocks (happened to me with a few things).

Oh and Bandcamp ftw. You can listen to most albums free for a few times and when you buy it, you own it forever w/o DRM - plus if you buy a hardcopy, you get a digital one included. I used to use Napster like that - as a shit quality preview of an album I might end up buying later.

teamevil,

Bandcamp just got purchased by a shit head company and is laying off staff…I’ve got 1500+ albums on bandcamp it’s fucking great and about to be fucked.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Why is it a shit head company?

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, but they give you DRM free downloads. If EPIC kills them, you still own every album as long as you download it. I’ll be sad if Bandcamp dies, but I can still play all music I got from it. That’s the way it should be.

teamevil,

Oh I am doing just that, it is going to be a pain in the ass, but I am going to download the full library in FLAC format. And it not Epic anymore is Songster or something like that.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.

Your computer now has a rootkit installed.

explodicle,

I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.

schmidtster,

Or they just haven’t been caught yet.

It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.

explodicle,

Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.

schmidtster,

Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was undetected.

Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Rootkits are serious problems.

AVincentInSpace,

Wait, what malware was that?

schmidtster,

Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.

hackris,

And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”

You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.

So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.

Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.

That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

Ugh. As in blaming someone, casting aspersions on them for something that isn’t their fault or responsibility. Words broaden in meaning. If you’re going to quibble about semantics, I got nothing to say to you.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?

I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?

hackris,

I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.

The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like battleye and vanguard.
also they are often installed automatically while launching games for the first time, without any prompts

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

yeah maybe just design proper authoritative servers instead?
anticheats are kinda a band-aid solution.

Cort,

Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own

aniki,

Viva la Gamespy!

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map

foggy,

“most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”

-sony’s response

PraiseTheSoup,

Conversely, you buy a CD from a band you’ve never heard of just because you like the album art or maybe even the title or the band name, and you find out it’s a god damn masterpiece from start to finish. This is how I discovered Audioslave almost 20 years ago and it’s the best $14 I ever spent. I still have the disc btw and it still plays perfectly.

unphazed,

This was LD50 for me

oatscoop,

That album showed me how to live.

NewAgeOldPerson,

But it didn’t give you life… Wait, did it?

PraiseTheSoup,

Technically the one I bought on a whim back then was Out of Exile, which I would now consider the weakest of the three, but I liked it enough to seek out more.

greenkarmic,

That’s how I bought the Hybrid Theory album from Linkin Park. Took a chance, knew nothing about them.

Lucidlethargy,

Then you realize you aren’t paying $20 a month, and you buy a new album, that you fucking OWN forever.

Polar,

$20 CAD gets you a family plan that you can share up to 5 people, so $4 CAD each.

Not sure what you’re on about. If you’re paying $20 for Spotify you’re getting ripped off.

Or you can pay $25 CAD for YouTube Premium, share it with 5 people, and get both YouTube ad free AND YouTube Music for $5 CAD per month.

I’d rather pay $4/$5 per month to access millions of songs than $20 for an album that I will get bored of in a few months, thanks.

julianwgs,

It‘s 2023, you can still listen to the same shitty music, because it is yours to keep.

zammy95,

I’m assuming you’re saying still listen to the same shit music you BOUGHT back then?

abraxas,

The sad truth. I threw out my CD binders at least 10 years ago. I still have some of that uploaded to the cloud, but I’ve swapped provider a few times and probably lost some.

And more often, I Just listen on spotify or youtube music.

julianwgs,

Yes, the comment was meant as criticism of the streaming era packaged as a joke

tpihkal,

Where the hell you buying CDs for $10 in 1999?

enthusiasticamoeba,

The standard price where I grew up was $13. Feels like a steal these days.

tpihkal,

I don’t think any CD I ever wanted enough to buy was less than $16. My family was poor so cassette tapes were still a thing for quite a while.

By the time I could start thinking about affording CDs, I’d already seen the movie Hackers (1994) and was convinced everything would be digital really fucking fast.

I started converting my CDs in the Napster era.

enthusiasticamoeba,

Yeah, I only had a handful of CDs because they were too expensive! I jumped on the napster train and got a CD burner as soon as I could.

teamevil,

CD Depot.

pascal,

$10 for an album? You lucky dog, here one album CD costs at that time around $25.

littlecolt,

Someone explain this format to me, please. Why is one weird highlighted?

YourMomsTrashman,
@YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world avatar

It feels like a result of someone reposting/screencapping and censoring the f-word, then a reposter trying to put it back

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