derbis, I was hoping we weren’t going to have to put up with this propaganda crapola off Reddit. Oh well.
gus, It’s especially disappointing given the mission statement of beehaw. You know, the one they require every user to read when signing up and write a statement about?
… we grew increasingly upset with modern social media. Modern social media has become a breeding ground for hate speech, for trolls, and for bad behavior. We don’t want to recreate that environment. We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech.
deegeese, Calling for Palestinian freedom is not genocide.
Israeli apartheid policy is genocide.
fosforus, Israel is not apartheid, and it’s obviously not committing genocide. Hamas is for genocide.
deegeese, The Israeli army bombing refugees is genocide.
fosforus, (edited ) They are bombing Hamas terrorists, their enemy, not refugees. You must remember that Hamas fighters and civilians look exactly the same, and they deliberately lurk among the civilians. This is obviously not genocide.
I’ll give you a hint in form of a question that may lead you towards the truth: What happens to the amount of population in a genocide?
deegeese, Your argument boils down to:
Those evil terrorists are why the army has no choice but to murder civilians.
This is “we had to destroy the village to save it” levels of madness.
fosforus, (edited ) Consider the question, dude. What happens to the population in a genocide?
taanegl, I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide. Today the day definitions are one and the same. Destroying someone’s culture and history also qualities, like during slavery.
The methods employed in genocide includes the methods of colonialism, persecution, subversion and the destructions of farms, Mosques, churches, hospitals, libraries, monuments, etc. Anything to persecute, harass and destroy someone.
Take for instance “the gypsies”. A people in diaspora from a nation state that doesn’t exist, roaming Europe forever, with no land to call their own.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
fosforus, (edited ) I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide.
No, I’m saying that population doesn’t grow during a genocide.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
But… Palestinian Arabs are >20% of the population of Israel. You’re making absolutely no sense.
deegeese, It sounds like you’re trying to argue it’s not genocide if Palestinians are still having children, but that just makes it worse.
fosforus, Does it really sound like that? Should you perhaps try to steelman my argument in your head?
taanegl, Okay, so reign it back.
Please, in the simplest terms, no allusion, no hints, no inferences, just direct communication.
What are you trying to say?
bartolomeo, Shit, I thought it was satire…
taanegl, Population indeed doesn’t grow during a genocide.
Living under the tyranny of those who took your land, destroyed your cultural heritage and then swept your suffering and the death of your loved ones under the rug, using terrorism as some sort of justification? This is something you’ll have to clear with the native Americans and Inuits, even some other nomadic people.
Like again, I alluded to the Roma people (or Gypsy’s) for a reason. A broken folk, subjected under Romania (even though it has nothing to do with Roma folk), the “gypsies” lost their land in the North of India. Ever since, they’ve wandered as a people without ancestral lands, and that is a huge problem for not only the psyche, but also the culture has been subverted, destroyed and is but a husk of it’s former self.
This is why the technical definition of genocide has moved beyond body count.
Umbrias, Clarify your position on this statement you dodged:
calling for Palestinian freedom is not genocide
HubertManne, I know in one case this is a bs slant. The person said its abhorrant but measures would only be taken if action was taken. IE the speech will not be silenced by the university but actually violence will not be allowed.
Laconic, Zionists call anything short of unconditional support for Israel and it’s far right government an anti-semetic call for genocide of Jews. It’s propaganda.
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