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bluegandalf, in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations

It might be a good idea to do the exact opposite I.e. make a OSS whitelist. It will be much easier to maintain given the scale of applications/services/products.

akrot,

Although I agree, it’s tough to make a whitelist than a blacklist, as the latter requires only 1 bad decision, the former is tough to assess (how many good decision to be on the list, ex Microsoft support lots of open source projects, should they be added?)

smpl,
@smpl@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

No. Never. It’s a ruse.

RacoonVegetable, (edited ) in Microsoft's Windows 12 is expected to be even worse than Windows 11, functioning as a paid "subscription service" or forcing users to watch ads in order to use it without paying

YES I will spread misinformation on the internet

NO you cannot do anything about it

RedArcher,
@RedArcher@hexbear.net avatar

Thank you for promoting for Microsoft’s spyware-ridden operating system on the internet!

TxzK, in Microsoft's Windows 12 is expected to be even worse than Windows 11, functioning as a paid "subscription service" or forcing users to watch ads in order to use it without paying

Remember when they said Windows 10 will be the last version? lol

acockworkorange,

Didn’t they try to call it Windows X at the time?

Kidplayer_666, in Will the new judicial ruling in the Vizio lawsuit strengthen the GPL?

I now want to become a kernel contributor just so that it would be possible for me to use the copyright excuse too

eldritch_lich,

If I understand correctly, this applies to users, not just contributors. As a user of the software you are entitled to a copy of the source code.

Eldritch,

Exactly. What are contributors? If not, also users?

Enkers, (edited ) in The issue to create a new main menu for Minetest has been open for 6 years.

I’m a long time heavily modded minecraft player, and I’ve never heard of this issue. If you want proper feedback, I’d suggest adding more context. (That is to say, an outline of the feedback, so we don’t have to wade through 6 years of discussion.)

Minecraft has always had a janky aesthetic, so this doesn’t seem like it’s particularly out of the ordinary.

rufus,

Hehe, this is about MineTEST, a “clone” of Minecraft. So it’s probably understandable you’ve not heard of the issue. 😏

Enkers,

That explains it! Lol.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Wrong game. Minetest, not Minecraft.

Enkers, (edited )

Ah, I assumed it was part of some sort of OSS mod suite for minecraft. My mistake.

django,
@django@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I am somewhat of a Warcraft player myself and have played lots of custom maps. I too never heard of this issue.

Paco, (edited ) in Any bookmarking solution?

I have used linkding and I find it pretty good.

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

Do u know any server which accept registrations?

Paco,

I do not.

I self host it inside docker on my local network.

erranto, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

I always thought about why don’t FOSS projects that are at risk of getting sued by big corp like (NewPipe, Popcorn Time, streamio, tachiyomi …) embrace the dark web or git over torrent via VPN, so their projects don’t get threatened with take downs. z-library ended having to move to the dark web after all.

ShortN0te,

Most ppl don’t think about that or don’t know that their project will take off. And then it is already too late.

nilloc, (edited ) in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations

Add Haier to the list. They’re threatening Homekit devs and issued a takedown on a GitHub hosted HVAC controller for their units. Citing it hurting their income (I assume they mean data mining income when you stop letting them monitor your appliances online).

The dev is looking for a lawyer to consult, and wants to fight, so has probably not got any copyright infringing code in his repo.

Oh and for boycotting purposes, they sell appliances under the brands: Haier, Casarte, Leader, GE Appliances, Fisher & Paykel, Aqua and Candy.

qaz,

They’re already on it

nilloc,

Oops thanks, I must have missed it when I looked.

I’ll check out the repo when I’m back in front of a computer later.

Gooey0210, (edited ) in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations

As i understand google and Microsoft don’t really fit here

Probably the definition should look something like: companies that proactively did actions towards harming open source culture/community/movement. Don’t respect foss licensing, etc

I nominate Gitea for this one, for hijacking the project, and making it for profit organization

Also, Ultimate Guitar with their kido musescore, for basically trying to do the same thing that manga company is trying to do right now

And my favorite… Facebook for their oculus privacy and for threatening to sue everyone who tries to jailbreak or modify their devices

Simple tools is probably not considered open source anymore

P.S. oh! Really also think about Proton, Brave, and Telegram

Three companies that are famous for saying they are foss, but in really it’s often not exactly that

Proton’s and telegram’s servers are not foss

Telegram and brave had many instances of delaying publishing the source, even though they already updated the apps

Also, not sure how about now, but telegram is famous for having not reproducible builds, brave probably too

bluegandalf,

Proton’s server code is not Open Source because it contains filter and anti spam detection which if released, would severely hamper their ability to detect spam and keep their users safe + detect abuse for their service.

Proton has had extensive security audits done and their claims have been backed up by independent third parties.

The definition should be further modified to include legitimate reasons for not open sourcing some code + having audits to back up claims.

Gooey0210,

Facebook has their reasons to keep stuff as closed as possible, and they don’t claim to be opensource

But proton does, and it’s not about privacy or security, but about using banner of foss just for their own benefit, and don’t contribute what they claim to the foss community

bluegandalf,

They open source all of their clients (when not in beta). They maintain multiple open source cryptographic libraries, in multiple languages, which a lot of developers and companies go on to use. They have a yearly fundraiser for open source and digital rights groups, which they contribute a $100,000 to each year.

Just because their server code is not open source, doesn’t mean they don’t support open source. It’s not an all or nothing situation. Binary thinking and classification is a very dangerous and naïve way to look at things.

makeasnek, (edited ) in NGI TALER will bring private and secure online payments to the Eurozone
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

Love GNU software stack, but they’re about 15 years too late on this one.

Bitcoin can:

  • Transfer internationally or across the room
  • Confirms in less than one second (with Bitcoin lightning, otherwise can take a few minutes but still much faster than most banks, especially internationally)
  • Pay less than one cent in fees per transfer (with Bitcoin lightning, otherwise cents to dollars on main chain)
  • No middlemen
  • Operate with 24/7 uptime, 365 days a year without single protocol breaking hack because it’s some of the most widely reviewed code on the planet.
  • Entirely open source software and protocol
  • Is available to anybody with a network connection and a cell phone regardless of whether or not they have access to safe, stable banking infrastructure, which billions, with a B, do not. No barriers, no credit requirements, no nonsense.
  • Has been doing this for 15 years running.
  • Can’t be printed at the whim of politicians and governments. Has a fixed supply which means as the Bitcoin economy grows, all who have Bitcoin benefit, not just those in charge of monetary policy and whomever they decide to pass the benefits onto. Nobody can split your BTC in half and give the other half to somebody else, which is exactly how supply inflation works.
  • Using <1% of global electricity, often from renewable resources as renewable and over-produced electricity tends to be the cheapest

Each year it gets easier to use, gains more users, increases market cap, and generally adoption continues to grow.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Bitcoin is an entirely different thing, it’s really comparing apples with oranges.

makeasnek,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s a medium to transfer funds from one place to another. It’s solving the same problem a different way.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

No, you misunderstood what GNU Taler is.

It is a digital cash standard for existing currencies and banks. It’s not even the same category as Bitcoin.

Krafting, in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations
@Krafting@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget to add Nintendo

qaz,
haui_lemmy, in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations

This is awesome! Maybe it should be noted where the cutoff is. What is considered hostile behavior and what is not?

qaz,

That’s a good point. I wasn’t really sure where to put the cutoff point nor how to define it. Another problem is what consists as anti-OSS behavior. Is anti-right-to-repair part of it?

haui_lemmy,

Good question! May I suggest some kind of poll or questionaire to gather what the majority thinks constitutes oss hostile or anti oss behavior. Maybe it would also be good to question the purpose of this list to maybe find a logical cutoff point that way. Example: If naming and shaming is the purpose then it might not matter if anti right to repair or just not giving any api access since it makes controling stuff you bought harder by choice.

I always choose this kind of philosophical approach since it helps me make decision.

alice_mac, in OSS-Blacklist: A blacklist for keeping track of OSS hostile companies/organizations

I’m shocked that the list only contains one

qaz, (edited )

I created it less than an hour ago. If you have any other suggestions please share (or send a pull request).

EDIT: The list contains 3 companies now

sxan, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Wouldn’t be a bad idea for potential customers to write Haier and let them know they’re on a personal blacklist.

Is there an OSS-hostile list, like the opposite of the Awesome-XYZ lists?

qaz,
DeltaTangoLima, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com avatar

Forked, and mirrored to my Forgejo server. As someone else pointed out on a different community, this is a great example of the Barbra Streisand effect in action.

People like me, without Haier appliances, are now aware of this fuckwittery, and have actively taken steps to preserve the code, before it gets taken down.

Dickheads.

sparr,

And, since we don’t own or use any Haier appliances, we aren’t subject to their TOS.

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