Gooey0210, SimpleX is the best
PublicLewdness, Neither really. Telegram is closed source on the servers and is known to cooperate with governments and law enforcement. Signal is the better option but I refuse to use an app that requires my phone number when alternatives like Matrix; XMPP; and Session exist. My phone number is tied to my name; address; and payment methods. It’s not a small ask of Signal in my opinion.
ThePhoDit, IMO Signal is about having private communications, not anonymity. Sure, apps like SimpleX Chat and Session are great, but they are useless without someone to chat with. Signal is, for the average user, the perfect balance of privacy and convenience. Your chances of getting people to switch to Signal are higher than to others because of its simplicity.
governorkeagan, Completely agree with you. I think a lot of people confuse privacy vs anonymity.
sphere_au, Signal. Also, the solution to the “no-one on signal” problem is simply to refuse to use insecure platforms like WhatsApp. If people want to talk to you then, they have to download signal. They might get annoyed with you, but sometimes a bit of coercion is necessary to get people to do what’s good for them.
AllNewTypeFace, Telegram is, by all accounts, a privacy garbage fire. They rolled their own crypto, bless them, and as they say, anyone can design a cryptosystem that they themselves can’t break.
Fizz, I’ve never heard anyone suggest telegram as a private service.
lemmy_nightmare, Telegram is not even an option.
dingus, If you trust Telegram you’re naive. Here is a great breakdown earlier this year from Kaspersky.
usa.kaspersky.com/blog/…/27662/
Signal isn’t perfect either, but their mistakes are far less egregious. They also have removed some of the more egregious mistakes, like needing a phone number (edit: incorrect, see below) or google play services to function. It can be run on a device without Google Play Services because it only uses Google Play Services for push notifications.
quaff, Thanks for the article. That’s a really good breakdown for most arguments of Telegram propagandists. 🙌
Infiltrated_ad8271, Are you both bots? How can anyone read that crap and say it's a great breakdown?
It's a single widely known issue, and it can literally be summed up in one short sentence: by default it doesn't use end-to-end encrypted chats, which are also far inferior in functionality.I've never seen a pro-telegram propagandist, but you anti-telegram propagandists are swarming and very tiresome.
bastion, lol.
- post asks which app is preferred
- a clear winner with lots of reasons why emerges
- "propagandists!"
I dislike Signal because of the abandonment of SMS as an option. Without that, it’s on par with (not really ahead of) most other secure messengers. Session is pretty decent, and I am curious if SimpleX will take off.
Anyways. Not a Session fanboy by any means, but I cam still see that (given the two options asked about) session is the clear winner. But your take on this all is hilarious.
quaff, We are in a privacy community. A privacy community with a specific website that makes recommendations on messenger apps. And yet, OP is asking for an opinion on comparisons between Signal (recommended by the guide) and Telegram (which isn’t even in the guide). Why would this be necessary if they weren’t thinking Telegram could be a private and secure messenger too? Even tho it’s not recommended on privacy guides. Draw whatever conclusions you want to fit your own world view. But just because others do so differently, doesn’t mean they’re bots. That’s a very lazy way to view the world. And that is also just my opinion. If you wanted to discuss the points of the article, I’m down. But if you’re coming in here to be reductive because you have a differing opinion, then this is all I’m going to be saying to you.
quellik, I use both but for different purposes: Signal for group chats and Telegram for channels (news and piracy).
I trust Signal more.
witchdoctor, Signal obviously
otter,
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