TCB13

TCB13, 5 months ago

afraid.org +1

TCB13, 5 months ago

Okay that’s interesting.

TCB13, 5 months ago

Maybe it will be best to give up right now and use GNOME. I hate it, but let’s be honest most of the time people are running KDE and others will end up with a bunch of GNOME/GTK/libadwaita components and creating a Frankenstein of a system because some specific App depends on said components.

There’s no point on running anything else if you’ll end up with parts of GNOME and inconsistencies all over the place.

TCB13, 5 months ago

Its… Debian.

TCB13, 5 months ago (edited 3 days ago)

• Linux desktop provides entertainment, countless hours of trying to get things running properly / a bearably usable operating system to end up with something that may work fine for your workflows unless you’ve to collaborate with others.
• Windows provides ROI, get a cheap license and be up and running with all the professional software properly supported, easy to install and seamless collaboration with other professionals. Required daily use to work properly.
• macOS is a “toaster OS”, perfect for your weekend internet surfing activities, all polished, won’t nag you much about anything and ready to work even if you don’t use the computer for months.

Both macOS and Linux suffer from the same issue when it comes to software, people end up having to virtualize something they require but at least in macOS that’s more rare and there’s professional software like MS Office and Adobe apps for it :)

TCB13, 5 months ago (edited 12 hours ago)

I’ll even upvote your comment because you make some good points, but there are other things I must elaborate on. Just for context I use Windows, macOS and Linux in different occasions and I like them all in some way shape or form but I also know that none is perfect.

I disagree with the wording here. All the “professional” software works because it’s made for that system. Blaming Linux for lack of Adobe support is like blaming Windows for not supporting valgrind or zsh. It’s up to the program’s developers to support it.

While I agree with you here and I exaggerated the thing a bit… the lack of Adobe and others is also Linux’s fault, not only on those companies. It is really fucking hard to develop and support software for Linux when you’ve to deal with at least two major half-assed desktop environments (KDE and GNOME) and one of them decides to reinvent the wheel every now breaking APIs with little to no regard for software. To make things worse you’ll end up finding out that most of the time people are running KDE + a bunch of GNOME/GTK/libadwaita components creating a Frankenstein of a system because some specific App depends on said components.

Some time ago I did a simple test, installed Photoshop 6.0 (from 2000) and MS Office 2003 on Windows 10 and guess what? Both worked just fine at the first attempt, zero hacks required, zero effort. Linux doesn’t offer this.

True, but in my experience, the Windows installer can be more difficult to use and makes things very unfriendly for people who want to dual boot, when compared to Ubuntu and distros

You’re citing the advanced special use case where the Windows installer isn’t nice. C’mon regular people don’t dual boot, they just have an OS and that’s is. This also makes me question one thing, why is that Linux users are always so focused on “attacking” the Windows installer and saying their is better because it handles dual boot better? It does, but tell me, how would you know if your system is so perfect? Why would you ever need to dual boot? :)

If you mean updates, that is kinda true. Only kinda because you can use, say CTT’s winutil to switch to security updates only, with feature updates delayed by a few months.

I’m not sure if Windows will handle itself correctly even with that. It looks like the thing requires to be powered on everyday or it will eventually fail to boot, be slow, still ask for some kind of update or some other random issue. All the Windows machines I see failing (software wise) are always the ones that aren’t daily driven.

Things will get there, to the point where I can see Linux being better than Windows 11 by the time Windows 10 goes EOL (2025).

That’s essentially because Microsoft decided to make Windows 11 considerably worse than every other version before it. I don’t believe they’ll EOL Windows 10 that soon, after all Microsoft will have to support Windows 10 in some way shape or form after 2025 because there will be some stubborn governments and large businesses that will pay for it. They’ll make those update available for everyone else because, from a business perspective, it makes much more sense to keep supporting those millions of systems than have their reputation crushed by the amount of security vulnerabilities that will pile up.

The issue is that Windows 12 is coming with all sorts of AI marketing gimmicks. It’s yet unclear how Linux will respond to that.

I hope Linux doesn’t react to that at all. But well we don’t know what the absurdly funded and inept GNOME team will do. They’ll most likely come with some bullshit about how AI is the the way to come up with their messed up view of a DE.

Over the years, Microsoft has used ruthless business practices (United States vs Microsoft Corp., the Halloween documents, EEE) to build up and maintain expansive market dominance.

Oh yeah and they’ll continue to do so and somehow that makes them great. Without the amount of ruthless business practices they’ve been employing Windows would not have the position it has nowadays and we wouldn’t have so much productive tools as we do. Even considering the Office case, the format thing is bad but frankly do you think (the community and open-source companies) would’ve ever be able to build something to complex, solid and feature-rich as MS Office is? Who would’ve set to finance and develop such a complex spreadsheet software for instance? Mind that LibreOffice doesn’t have all the features Excel does and even when it does they sometimes aren’t as good. Look at Google’s pathetic attempt at spreadsheets, its still a for profit entity with a large interest and ecosystem capable of developing something better than MS but still it even lags behind Libre/OnlyOffice. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, suddenly we’re talking about Dynamics NAV and other very complex solutions that all integrate very well with Office.

telemetry that you can’t even fully disable

This isn’t true. Microsoft, unlike, let’s say Apple, has all the spyware very well documented here and it can be disabled. In fact Microsoft has to have those things documented and toggles in place to disable them because they’ve a lot of costumers (some govt agencies) that wouldn’t be able to use Windows without disabling those things.

What does MacOS have to offer? Nothing really. I mean, it’s kind of a middle ground between the two. It’s a Unix system meaning the terminal experience is similar to Linux (aka it’s actually good) and it has the “professional” apps the OP was talking about

Yes, that’s a very good description of macOS. That’s why I called it the “toaster OS” and is good for your weekend surfing but still has a better position on the market because there’s “professional” software for it. Too bad you can’t disable the spyware.

but also suffering from a distinct lack of power user features or even decent window management features in the default desktop experience that it comes with

You should try macOS for a month or so, because their DE is way better than GNOME.

At least Apple isn’t delusional about desktop icons, doesn’t force people into the activities view and provides toggles to manage the DE. If the GNOME team decided to just do a pixel-perfect copy of macOS and removed most of the customization, 3rd party themes / all the crap that makes GNOME unusable and focused on making it properly then KDE would’ve already faded away and we had the chance to have a single, solid and stable Linux DE for the masses.

All the current themes, versions and tweaks of GNOME are inconsistent bring a very poor experience and thing every looks good. Here’s a good example, both macOS and Windows have the ability to run containerized desktop applications but it is only on Linux that you launch an App and suddenly it doesn’t respect your theme and goes back to some basic thing because it runs on flatpak and there’s some bullshit about it. Or… your password management can’t communicate with the browser… Or there’s some incompatibility between the GKT version the app uses and something else on the system.

There was a very good video on MacOS that I’d recommend: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYbHJulEo8

And btw, this video is bullsht. The guy goes to review macOS in 2023 and instead of using the latest version of the system, macOS 14, goes for macOS 11 that isn’t even supported anymore. This is the same as taking Windows 7 or Mandriva Linux reviewing it and saying “FEELS OLD”. lol

TCB13, 5 months ago

What are they trying to fuck up down on their quest for the “perfect vision”?

TCB13, 5 months ago

Looks like a cheap copy of MissionCenter… flathub.org/apps/io.missioncenter.MissionCenter

TCB13, 5 months ago

Boxes is so… damn… unbearably… slow. Subpar virtualization.

TCB13, 5 months ago

Proton is all fun and games until you find out they don’t support IMAP/SMTP without a bridge.

TCB13, 5 months ago

Interesting. I have always used their web app (even on mobile, i just use their pwa instead of the native app since the native app is missing obvious features), and I haven’t had any issues, but I can definitely understand the frustration

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve nothing against you… but…

This is the irony with the privacy minded people and anti-google / monopoly folks around here - they can’t use Google and Microsoft because of the monopoly and then use a solution that is 10x more closed and doesn’t even has an option to use standard protocols and email clients. Logic ham ? :P

TCB13, 5 months ago

Many of your points are management bullshit.

Yes, they are and I never said they weren’t management BS. Nevertheless management pays the bills, management makes the decision.

The key point is that they want a contract with a company so they can discard the responsability of failures on someone out of their own company.

You’re just saying what I said before…

The last problem is from Microsoft that worked hard these last years to remove any compatibility between office and other softwares of this kind

Yes, but the end result is that nobody sane would even risk not using MS Office and that’s what it is.

Large companies need an it service for Windows on top of the licences and infrastructure. It’s way cheaper with Linux.

It depends, integration between MS products and services usually comes out of the box or working with minimal setup while with open-source solutions / Linux that isn’t always the case. Also Windows sysadmins are usually cheaper because you can get more and they require less training to be “efficient” than Linux ones.

The biggest work with an enterprise Linux is to make it compatible with the shitty Windows environment, and the compliance with the useless security thought for windows.

Yes but you still have do it and it has a cost. Simply going full Windows is cheaper at that point.

TCB13, 5 months ago

I only work with libre formats at work. If someone wants to collaborate, they can easily install libre office or gimp or freecad or gnu cash or whatever. Most libre software is free and cross-platform.

Okay so tell me, you’re working on a budget with a potential customer that uses MS Office. You want to win that customer and do a big project for him, would you “bitch” about him about using MS Office and ask him to install LibreOffice whenever the spreadsheet formulas don’t work properly?

What if said potential customer is a big company with strict IT policies? What if the person can’t even install software or is older and unable do it but very proficient with Excel?

Are you willing to lose a potential big customer, a project that will pay your bills for months just because a boomer can’t or won’t be able to install LibreOffice?

TCB13, 5 months ago

your colleagues to adapt to you nor you can decide which OS

Sometimes its not even about colleagues, check my reply before lemmy.world/comment/6509728

TCB13, 5 months ago

It’s completely inapt for actual engineering and technical work.

Depends on the engineering field, I have out a few specific examples of highly payed engineering fields that can’t get away from Windows.

TCB13, 5 months ago

I have very little problem exchanging documents

Yes but you still have some little annoyances here and there. Is it worth having to fight your software to get your job done? Isn’t just easier and more productive to use MS Office (ROI described above and whatnot).

Teams and GoToMeeting are why I started using Edge. It is just a nicer workflow if Teams and Outlook are in the same browser.

See this is what most people feel about Office, its just nicer to use the Microsoft thing and not ever having to worry about anything.

While I agree that for some people LibreOffice might work, there’s the following simple test:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cbc2faa8-0542-4535-92ce-a84a94381ad9.jpeg

TCB13, 5 months ago

Id’ say your comparison pictured is not valid. It’s not the same document in both programs

Yes its the same document. The only thing I did is “open a copy” because the document was locked in the other editor.

If one truly wants to share final documents use pdf not a draft format like docx.

People share unfinished documents with each other and formatting should hold, otherwise how can you collaborate?

TCB13, 5 months ago

Yes but doesn’t change the issue. That scenario will happen and no CTO on his right mind would allow indiscriminate and random tool usage as it opens the company to a ton of possible liability. If someone does then that person is just bad at their job.

usage was officially sanctioned

What do you mean by this? Is there an entire set of guidelines and security policies for both Windows, macOS and Linux users on the company? Like AV software they’re required to run, do they lock Linux machines with policies like they do with Windows ones? How does it work? If they don’t to any of the above then we’re back to my previous asessement.

TCB13, 5 months ago (edited 5 days ago)

You’re delusional or only deal with very low stakes because frankly if your costumer is a 1000+ employee company on industries like banking and whatnot you’ll just lose the customer right there.

TCB13, 5 months ago

Already did on the comment.

TCB13, 5 months ago

funnily enough old linux software is a pain on linux in the rare situations where i need it.

Oh yes ahaha

TCB13, 5 months ago

Yes yes, but what about magic / automated solutions? Wasn’t that the great advantage of Linkwarden?

TCB13, 5 months ago

This was a discussion about management solutions such as Proxmox and LXD and NOT about containerization technologies like Docker or LXC. Also Proxmox uses the Proxmox VE Kernel that is derived from Ubuntu.

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. I’m not even sure you know the difference between LXD and LXC…

TCB13, 5 months ago (edited 3 days ago)

create clusters, download, manage and create OS images, run backups and restores, bootstrap things with cloud-init, move containers and VMs between servers (even live sometimes).

provides a unified experience to deal with both containers and VMs, no need to learn two different tools / APIs as the same commands and options will be used to manage both. Even profiles defining storage, network resources and other policies can be shared and applied across both containers and VMs.

What else do you need.

• github.com/canonical/lxd
• techtarget.com/…/LXD-Linux-container-hypervisor

TCB13, 5 months ago

I do regular snapshots of my containers live and sometimes restore them, no issues there. De-duplication and incremental features are (mostly) provided by the storage backend, if you use BTRFS or ZFS for your storage pool every container will be a volume that you can snapshot, rollback, export at any time. LXD also provides tools to make those operations: documentation.ubuntu.com/lxd/…/instances_backup/