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abff08f4813c,

but if it stagnates it won't be worth squat after a while.

That might be true (but some content remains valuable after long periods of time too, think of all the good stories and classics from the turn of the 19th century for example), but even so, for those who are able it might be better to move the content now and delay even that much to reddit. (Not everyone can do this, and even for those that do it's extra effort, unfortunately.)

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I'm leaving my comments intact because I doubt that Spez is really going to benefit much from them in the long run anyway
The technology behind AIs

I think rather than AI the idea is to reduce ad revenue by moving content off of reddit so folks will stop checking reddit and thus reddit has fewer ads seen.

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Just never know when some information would be helpful in a pinch, especially if it's tech or programming related.

But wouldn't directing redditors to the fediverse to get their answers (specifically like "Content moved due to reddit's stance on ... link to this answer is at https://kbin.social/m/...") be better?

Just never know when some information would be helpful in a pinch, especially if it's tech or programming related.

That's exactly why we need to work on rebuilding it in the fediverse. The danger with reddit is that this info would have always been lost no matter what. Because of central control a mod could hide it. A reddit admin could outright delete it. The ceo has edited comments before. Why should we trust that our content will be safe with him?

abff08f4813c,

Also I promoted some software I wrote when applicable so it would only cut off my own nose to try and spite Spez too, so no I would rather not do that.

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable exception to the rule.

abff08f4813c,

That's why I'm advocating so hard that for people who delete their content, not to rely on PDS for this - see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/71867/Poll-Power-Delete-Suite-users-are-you-saving-your-content - but to use tools that save their content - https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the . The knowledge base shouldn't be destroyed - but neither should it be under the control of reddit.

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Instead of "all the answers are gone because of these stipid protests."

I could it as a win either way. If they're frustrated with reddit, they leave, and engagement goes down.

abff08f4813c,

I think it's the behaviour of a certain ceo and that ceo's apologists on said website that's at issue, here..

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I'm leaving my old posts up for anybody who might be helped by them

You could move them here and link from reddit - folks still get the help but reddit still loses ad revenue overall (as word-of-mouth and search engines slowly start to repoint others in need to the fediverse instead of reddit)

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A perfect metaphor!

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FYI somehow against all odds teddit still works so here's the ad-free no-money-to-reddit link,

https://teddit.adminforge.de/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/14pbtpt/how_hard_can_it_be_for_one_of_you_nerds_to_simply/

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Frankly, you're incorrect. It's an incredible pain in the neck to try and deal with the Fediverse beyond local content.

What issues have you specifically noticed with this? I've only seen a few - the main one is sometimes it's hard to find magazines from elsewhere unless you already know the name of it and the instance it is on (but folks are creating websites to help others find this, so this is a problem being solved right now). The other one is that sometimes federation is slow, so posts and comments on the hosting instance can take hours to show up on another one. But there are technical fixes to this as well (I'm thinking that maybe the next version of activity pub should include a pull action, so other instances can ask for the latest content on behalf of their users from the hosting instance).

Without better community merging or centralization, browsing instances becomes no different than dealing with having mail on three or four non-multiplexed BBSes,

I wasn't around this far back. Can you elaborate on this a bit? What's the issue with "having mail on three or four non-multiplexed BBSes" ?

or talking on forums before we had tabbed browsing. It's incredibly annoying, and pushes people right back to centralized systems.

This I remember well. Sounds like you are trying to create an account on each instance and are constantly logging out of one and into the next to keep up on the latest posts and comments. This .. is not really the way to do it.

Yes, active users continues to grow - on already dominant platforms. And by that I mean KBin.social as a platform,

Don't confuse terms. kbin.social is an instance, the platform is kbin the software.

not all KBin instances;

Actually it's well understood that kbin.social is getting too large and it's not good for instances to get this big in general - so it's kinda a good thing that other instances haven't exploded as much. See https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/122067/Jim-is-invading-the-finer-things-club-aka-kbin-social-is and

or Mastodon.Social,

I'd argue that this is a technically a different platform - microblogging vs what reddit/lemmy do. But by the magic of federation we get both in kbin.

or even Lemmy.ML.

There are problems here with this instance that go far beyond what you are saying. But that's the nice part of federation - even problematic owners can be dealt with. Can't say the same for a centralized service.

Yes, there's not a singularity yet,

Why use this term? What does it even mean in this context? A singularity is a term from physics and represents when the existing rules break down, like in a black hole (collapsed star).

but even this limited plurality shows that it's a pain in the neck to deal with the Fediverse as a whole, so pick your local poison and go for it.

Again, this suggests you don't really understand federation. Barring one problematic instance, there aren't any serious issues accessing all the instances you mentioned from, say for example, kbin.cafe

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this.

Certainly.

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Exactly this. Looking at the top response it details it's hard due to a ton of costs like operating costs and hosting costs and stuff, but with federation these costs can be spread around so that it's more manageable for each individual instance (as content doesn't need to be viewed from the original instance but gets spread around).

For those in the know about privacy laws and the such. What is a proper response to reddit's claim that they cannot remove all the information associated to an account without first the user removing all of their posts? (kbin.social)

As the title says, Reddit replied to my GDPR request to delete all my data saying I had to do it first, which I suspect is in violation of GDPR law....

abff08f4813c,

I mused in the past that scripts like Power Delete Suite might work as they simulate clicking a button and such on old dot reddit dot com instead of directly calling the API. (Technically they are indirectly using I guess as old reddit uses the API internally but so what - is reddit going to suspend their own API key for going over the limit?) Someone just needs to figure out how to a) modify PDS to be able to accept the archive data and b) longer-term work with the new reddit desktop website instead of relying on old reddit, which a lot of us don't trust to stay around forever.

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With the API shutting down, I believe there is no longer an automated way to delete all content.

Actually, the API hasn't shut down. It's just you get a bill if you go over 100 api calls per minute, but existing scripts like github shreddit can be easily modified to include a builtin delay to prevent that from happening. Alternatively you can pay shreddit.com $15 to do this for you and not worry about it (they use their own API key i figure though I don't know the specifics, but I imagine they have a setup that prevents them from going over the limit as well).

I rushed in a bit of a panic to get all of my stuff deleted, not even waiting for the response to my data retrieval request (see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the ) before I realized this.

abff08f4813c,

As psychopomp pointed out this is wrong. (Or at least, "unsettled" - meaning that unless you are sitting on big pots of money and are happy to pay up to the gov't if the courts decide against you - you should play it safe.) See https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/34112/Updated-Reddit-is-quietly-restoring-deleted-AND-overwritten-posts-and#entry-comment-140833 - for what it's worth, folks from pre-Musk Twitter who looked into this issue determined that tweets basically did fall under the GDPR.

See also https://mstdn.games/@chris/110553477682106144 https://www.wired.co.uk/article/delete-twitter-dms-gdpr https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/08/elon-musk-twitter-dm-deletion/

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Hmm. I wonder though - could follow BrikoX's suggestion. Might be the case that you don't need a lawyer or to spend any money on it, instead the gov't org will hear complaints from lots of redditors (or ex-redditors) and then send its own lawyers in. If so, then these folks will be using public money from taxpayers and of course they got the time - it's literally their actual job. (Of course I speak in generalities and maybes because i don't know the system in every single EU country and it likely varies somewhat between them.)

abff08f4813c,

shreddit does this - both the $15 shreddit.com and the free scripts available from github

shreddit does use the API tho, something to keep in mind.

FYI we are tracking GDPR request timelines: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/50981/Reddit-Data-Retrieval-Request-timeline-thread

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The thing that worries about this is that tools like github shreddit may not be designed to rate-limit themselves to no more than 100 api calls per minute yet so someone who uses this tool today or after while trying to leave reddit mistakenly ends up owning reddit quite a bit of money. shreddit.com is safer i think as you aren't using your own api key - so the company behind the website is on the hook if they fail to make the adjustment. That's why it was so important to get your archive before the API changes, that way you could erase or overwrite with peace of mind. Alas the builtin 30 days and the timing of the announcement meant that in theory almost no one would get it in time. Since June has 30 days, someone who requested immediately after the pricing announcement on May 31 would just get it the day before at latest (just yesterday).

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Very smart! In a way this is good news. It suggests that editing to overwrite is effective - you aren't seeing your old content restored, but the edited version. Agree with the ridiculousness of having to delete again and again.

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More the second one. I joined that lemmy sub using my kbin

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Welcome aboard and thank you for your service!

FYI see also https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the (no worries if you're cool with it, but just wanted to make sure you understood the limitations of PDS and weren't surprised by posts or comments remaining after PDS claimed to wipe everything out)

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The folks of rblind aren't fooled. That's why they set up their own lemmy instance already and are recommending migrating off the subreddit.

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