commie

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i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

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commie,

Every part of a soybean can be made for human uses

sure, but there are not enough people who want to eat soycake for the amount of oil that we produce. so giving it to animals is as good a use as any.

commie,

if you don’t know how the industry works, maybe you shouldn’t be the one deciding how it should be run

commie,

If you had bothered to go to the link,

Ed is quoting some pretty misleading statistics to support your point. if this is the best that you have, you might want to reconsider your position.

commie,

what they asked is how many died for the bun. not whether you think that line of reasoning is sufficient to discourage veganism.

commie, (edited )

about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil for human uses. but a soybean is only about 20% oil altogether. that leaves 69% of the soybeans as industrial waste. feeding that industrial waste to animals is actually conserving resources.

so it’s not even true that the land used to make food for animals isn’t used to make food for people: it’s the same land.

commie,

your assumption of bad faith is itself bad faith

commie,

ourworldindata.org/soy

i’m so glad you used this. you can find this graph there that shows that almost all the soy we feed to animals is the industrial waste from oil production

https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

commie,

I do, too, but that’s remembering, not forgetting.

commie,

disease and lactose intolerance are also constructs. all meaning is constructed. without an observer, there cannot be meaning. you get to decide which constructs you uphold.

commie,

what i said was true.

commie,

we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others

I suspect we disagree about the relevant definition of “others”

commie,

it’s also an argument for veganism

no, it’s not

commie,

none of those mean that the vast majority of humans can thrive or even be healthy on a vegan diet. and while the food itself may be cheap, it may lack convenience or cultural appropriateness, and therefore come with costs that are hidden at the checkout counter.

commie,

i don’t have a crystal ball, but i do have a conscience.

commie,

Nah, it’s pretty evident that either you don’t understand or are willfully ignorant/trolling.

false dichotomy

commie,

Your commenting pattern appears to have become somewhat manic, so I’ll leave you to it.

I have a strong preference to leave short comments about only one idea at a time.

commie,

by not voting for Biden the reality is you’re voting for Trump

only by voting for trump are you voting for trump. voting for literally anyone else is voting against trump. not voting at all is not voting for trump.

commie,

wrong

commie,

nothing to do about it now. congress has continually eroded its own power in order to avoid hard decisions that might cost them their next election. the have concentrated almost all the power in the executive branch, and i don’t see that changing. in fact, if they could create a department of impeachment and place it under the executive i think they would.

commie,

Conscientious objectors don’t end wars, are they a wasted strategy too?

I don’t consider it a strategy to end war, I consider it a personal conviction. I don’t care about the efficacy: either it’s the right thing to do, or it is not.

commie,

i’m not voting for him, so don’t worry.

commie,

what crops that are fed to beef chicken and pork are parts of plants that people won’t eat for the most part. The same fields that grow the soybeans we use for oil are growing soybeans that are used as feed. The same soybeans that are used for oil are used for feed.

commie,

being vegan doesn’t stop soy from being grown in rainforests

commie,

I get all my TV and movies from dcc

commie,

“closed hole” flute: I have a tendency to pick up loud and obnoxious instruments. trumpet. diatonic harmonica. penny whistle. it would be cool to have a genuinely soft instrument. also, having skills that would transfer to piccolo:D

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