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matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.
matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

The soundness of your argument should not depend on your stance. It is a common tactic to state that you are “pro-X” but criticize X, because people are more likely to sympathize with your criticism that way. The commenter you replied to is simply reminding us of this.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

I addressed those falsehoods already. Feel free to address my arguments there.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Israel is fighting against all of Palestine, not just Hamas.

who are cowardly hiding behind civilians

Israel won’t let civilians outside of Gaza. They want Hamas to be among civilians. Moreover, Israel brutalizes Palestinians who live inside Israeli borders, without Hamas troops present.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

The burden of proof lies on the person making a claim. But sure, I’ll still respond. From Hamas’ official website:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

hamas.ps/en/post/678

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

I addressed something similar to the first article you linked in another comment. The gist is that, no, that is not their official policy, and that contradicts with their official charter, posted on their official website.

matcha_addict, to memes in Sadly Israel is too powerful right now, but hopefully one day the genocide will stop!

We can critique Hamas AND the Israeli government / IDF

I already addressed this argument above. If you think my argument wasn’t sufficient or there’s anything wrong with it, please address it directly. Otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you besides restate the same.

We can feel for Palestinian civilians even as we feel for Israeli citizens.

Absolutely. I hope you’re not implying that I said the opposite.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Is there a coherent argument here for me to respond to? If so, state it clearly and directly. Your movie analogy makes no sense.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Those quotes seem pretty good to me. I never said that Hamas wants only partial liberation. They want no part of the region to ruled by apartheid, and I support that as well.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

we think they are evil and want them noblere near us

This contradicts what figures of Palestinian resistance have repeatedly said. Even now that Israel successfully assassinated them or sabotaged these groups and propped up Hamas, it is still fact that most Palestinians choose to coexist with the Jewish people.

You are projecting Israel’s genocidal behavior onto Palestinians. Everything you say is what is Israel already doing, not Palestine.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Of course, the issue is the Israeli state, not the Jewish people. There are even organizations in Israel fighting for Palestinian rights and against the Israeli state (and many get punished for it).

But unfortunately there are also many who support what is being done to Palestinians. But in the end, the Israeli state and military are the main entities to blame.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Then act like it

matcha_addict, (edited ) to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

It’s important to note that the real disparity may be even far worse.

OCHA-OPT (the committee gathering this data) is strict about verifying validity of Palestinian casualties, requiring two independent, verified and non-affiliated sources. Casualties in Israel, however, they trust the media at face value. They also exclude a lot of Palestinian casualties even when verified in certain situations. Example, and I quote them:

People who were killed or injured in conflict-related incidents that took place in Israel and did not involve residents of the oPt are also excluded.

oPt (occupied Palestinian territories) are the areas that Israel does not directly oversee. So most of Israel is not oPt by their criteria.

Israel is notorious for restricting journalists reporting on Israeli crimes, and has murdered journalists countless of times, like last year the Christian Palestinian Shireen Abu Akleh reporting on the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Sheikh Jarrah (so not even in a war zone area). This causes many casualties to go unverified and thus undocumented.

And Israel has been caught lying before about its own casualties, like the 40 beheaded babies.

Take that as you will.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

Fighting Israel and its murder machine, which is the main entity causing civilian casualties.

matcha_addict, to memes in If you only criticize civilian casualties when Palestine resists, then your concern isn't civilian casualties. Your concern is Palestine resisting massacre.

That is not what they’re publicly saying. Easily verified on their website.

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