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matcha_addict,

One plus for fedora, or more of a minus for debian-based distros, is that fedora with its short release cycle is closer to how windows does updates. There’s no release cycle for almost all software on windows, and so the years long release cycle weirds many people out.

matcha_addict,

It is the exact opposite. Israel continuously brutalizes even Palestinian civilians in their own territories, without any military supporting them whatsoever.

matcha_addict,

Those quotes seem pretty good to me. I never said that Hamas wants only partial liberation. They want no part of the region to ruled by apartheid, and I support that as well.

matcha_addict,
matcha_addict,

we think they are evil and want them noblere near us

This contradicts what figures of Palestinian resistance have repeatedly said. Even now that Israel successfully assassinated them or sabotaged these groups and propped up Hamas, it is still fact that most Palestinians choose to coexist with the Jewish people.

You are projecting Israel’s genocidal behavior onto Palestinians. Everything you say is what is Israel already doing, not Palestine.

matcha_addict,

“The genocide must stop” is what you consider to be terrorism? Oh yeah, you must be from the west, where terrorism is resisting massacre.

matcha_addict,

The soundness of your argument should not depend on your stance. It is a common tactic to state that you are “pro-X” but criticize X, because people are more likely to sympathize with your criticism that way. The commenter you replied to is simply reminding us of this.

matcha_addict,

That is not what they’re publicly saying. Easily verified on their website.

matcha_addict,

Hamas seems to have developed a home-grown rocket manufacturing capability

That exactly tells you why it’s so imprecise. Israel has weapons created by the world’s top rocket scientists and the most precise manufacturing facilities, and for Hamas it’s people who barely have couple hours of electricity per day putting something together in one of the most densely populated areas, full of rubble and destruction.

When I say they “target” military facilities, I mean that’s what they aim for. Not that they have the high military capabilities to never miss.

Moreover, Hamas has, in recent days, specifically targeted Israeli civilians

I don’t deny that there are individuals in Hamas who have targeted civilians or killed them needlessly. Hamas is a resistance militia and not a hive mind. Unfortunately, living your entire life in a concentration camp with limited food and electricity, watching families burning alive and buildings coming down may lead you to hate people who are rave dancing on the gates of your open air prison, or even the regular civilians. It is not rational, but it is bound to happen. And because of this, I blame Israel.

And I don’t blame Israel to absolve Hamas of blame. Hamas leadership is complicit in ignoring civilian killing, I do not deny this. But blaming Hamas will drive no significant change. The root cause of these issues is Israel. At the very least, the civilian killings are usually individual actions, and Hamas’ military campaigns target the military. Whereas for Israel, civilians are target, and Hamas is their tool to convince Israelis that bombing Gaza is good.

matcha_addict,

I take it you don’t understand what “directly” means. Not surprising.

matcha_addict,

What definition are you using of “terrorist organization” that doesn’t apply to Israel?

Oh, I guess it is “something designated as terrorist organization by the west”.

matcha_addict,

Fighting Israel and its murder machine, which is the main entity causing civilian casualties.

matcha_addict,

I have a solution for you: why shouldn’t we live with Israelis in peace? Why can’t we have a Democratic state for all? Israel loses this “historical land” battle, but even if they didn’t, does that justify massacre? Palestinians have always advocated a state for all, but Israel never agrees.

matcha_addict,

The comment I linked to you in response to a comment making the same claims you’re making. All of your points should be addressed in the comment I linked. Is there any part of the comment I linked you that you think is incorrect? Or is there something you think I left unaddressed? Please let me know.

It seems like Hamas revised some of the more objectionable language in the original

It’s a quite big change, not mere paraphrasing or slight changes if that’s what you’re implying. Hamas changed radically in that time, as I explained in the comment I linked, and the document reflects that.

but they are still Hamas, and their intentions are quite clear both by word and deed.

Intentions of what? Do you mean your original claim above? Again, I already talked about why that’s false. It would be easier if you address my argument instead of make the same claims again. The only genocidal entity by word and deed at the moment is Israel.

matcha_addict,

Israel is an apartheid state. Hamas is a resistance against it.

Also nice avoiding the question. I never expected an answer from you anyways.

matcha_addict,

The document found on Hamas’ document disagrees:

hamas.ps/en/post/678

EDIT: looks like it’s down, but here’s another copy: www.middleeasteye.net/…/hamas-2017-document-fullTo quote:


<span style="color:#323232;">Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
</span>

The document you linked is from 1988, from when Hamas was first founded and was a fringe insignificant islamist group (which Israel admitted to have propped up and wanted to become the prominent Palestinian group) with minimal popular support. This was revised when Hamas underwent radical change, many members joined it from the former PLO, and Hamas became the sole group resisting apartheid.

matcha_addict,

Is there a coherent argument here for me to respond to? If so, state it clearly and directly. Your movie analogy makes no sense.

matcha_addict,

Sorry for my aggressive response, I thought you were trolling but it seems you may have been serious.

In that case, yes you’re wrong. Hamas’ goal is liberation of their people, not maximizing casualties. Israel’s goal is establishing and maintaining a Jewish state, so maximizing casualties (belonging to the wrong religion or ethnicity) is their goal.

matcha_addict,

I addressed something similar to the first article you linked in another comment. The gist is that, no, that is not their official policy, and that contradicts with their official charter, posted on their official website.

matcha_addict,

There’s mountains of evidence of Israel torturing or raping children, pregnant women, and elderly Palestinians. I am happy to show you some of that evidence.

The magnitude of the crimes committed by Israel is not even comparable. Israel has officials and generals who brag about raping Palestinians.

matcha_addict,

The burden of proof lies on the person making a claim. But sure, I’ll still respond. From Hamas’ official website:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

hamas.ps/en/post/678

matcha_addict,

I addressed those falsehoods already. Feel free to address my arguments there.

matcha_addict,

Civilians are losing and I blame Israeli apartheid, not the group that attempts to fight back.

matcha_addict,

Israel has attacked Palestinians an average of 3 times per day throughout 2023.

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