mondoman712

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mondoman712,

Speed cameras don’t discriminate on who they stop, and their enforcement doesn’t turn violent like it can do for human enforcement.

mondoman712,

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

mondoman712, (edited )

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

Fixing the infra would be great but local councils often just don’t have the money to.

mondoman712,

Cameras are enforcement without the discrimination and potential for violence that cops bring.

Traffic calming is great but it’s also more expensive. Maybe drivers should just try driving below the speed limit.

mondoman712,

Road tax doesn’t exist in the UK, and if it did it wouldn’t be something the local council has any control over. We need to get rids of the tories in the central government and start funding local councils better.

mondoman712,

I agree the fines should be proportionate, but a police officer doing the enforcement can stop whoever they don’t like the look of whether or not they are actually speeding whereas a camera will only target those who are actually, you know, speeding.

mondoman712,

I had a look earlier and only saw the opposite (see lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…), do you have any links?

mondoman712,

Wishing and hoping for people to be better than they are isn’t a solution. Just because traffic calming is more expensive, that’s not a reason to not do it. It is something that needs to be done if you want to break car dependency.

We should be doing that, but local councils don’t have the money after more than a decade of tory austerity. I also believe that driver’s should be able to drive below the speed limit even if the road isn’t correct for it, because there will always be places like that (around construction, for example), and like you say we can’t just wish and hope for them to follow that rule so some enforcement is needed.

mondoman712,

The cameras in question are on the UK, and cameras change behaviour because they enforce rules, as the study shows.

mondoman712,

The tolerance is usually 10% + 2 mph in the UK.

mondoman712,

Better infrastructure would be great, but there will always be places where you will need to drive slower than the designed speed, and drivers should be able to follow that if they’re going to be allowed to pilot a large and dangerous vehicle.

mondoman712,

If not cameras and not police then it’s what? Just let people drive as fast as they want?

mondoman712,

You use twice as mich fuel to accelerate from 0 to 30mph as 0 to 20mph, and if you hit a pedestrian at 30mph there’s a 20% chance it will be fatal Vs 2.5% at 20mph.

You are never going to average the speed limits throughout your drive, unless you’re speeding. In an urban environment, where 20mph speed limits are used, you will lose seconds on your journey.

But anyway, where is this coming from? The post is about speed cameras, not what the limits are set to. Why are you even bringing that up?

mondoman712,

The same can be said for anything that the government contracts out. Road building is another good example, and there’s a lot more money to go around there than with speed cameras.

mondoman712,

They wouldn’t make money if people managed to, you know, just follow the speed limit. If you can’t follow a basic rule of the road you shouldn’t be driving.

mondoman712,

The local community campaigned to get these speed cameras because people were speeding. Redesigning the road would be great, if the council had money to, but I doubt they do.

Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive, they’re the ones that have to deal with the unsafe driving of the middle class dada on their German coupes that can’t bare to drive at less that 50mph.

mondoman712,

The poorest people own the fewest cars, and are the most affected by things like air pollution, and if they do have to own cars they’re the ones most at hurt by car dependency (which is perpetuated by road violence caused by things like speeding).

And please don’t pretend like you know my life.

mondoman712, (edited )

I’m sorry I didn’t think I needed to spell it out that much to you. Obviously I don’t think all poor people don’t drive. But the poorest don’t, and statistically poorer people drive a lot less and are more impacted by things like this.

mondoman712,

I don’t agree that speeding is ok if poor people do it, and I don’t think the removal of the speed cameras is a step to the better alternative, unless it’s part of removing cars from the road in question entirely.

mondoman712,

I wouldn’t replace it. Some people will still speed even with traffic calming so the camera is still useful.

If you want to reduce the council’s income from speed cameras, the first thing would be to elect a central government that will properly fund local councils so they have the budget to make decisions like that.

mondoman712,

I’m not a lib, I’m not a fan of Keith, and I’m not saying “fuck the poor”. Poor people are the most impacted by car dependency which is perpetuated by dangerous driving. If you don’t want to have this conversation anymore you can stop replying.

mondoman712,

Because fuck pedestrians amirite lads

mondoman712,

Now you can see what it’s like arguing with you.

mondoman712,

You aren’t piloting a public transport vehicle, a professional is and you are free to not worry about it.

A frequent and comprehensive public transport system does allow for that freedom, without all of the burdens of car ownership. Bikes and car share can be used to fill in the gaps when the public transport isn’t comprehensive enough.

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