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mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

The cameras in question are on the UK, and cameras change behaviour because they enforce rules, as the study shows.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Wishing and hoping for people to be better than they are isn’t a solution. Just because traffic calming is more expensive, that’s not a reason to not do it. It is something that needs to be done if you want to break car dependency.

We should be doing that, but local councils don’t have the money after more than a decade of tory austerity. I also believe that driver’s should be able to drive below the speed limit even if the road isn’t correct for it, because there will always be places like that (around construction, for example), and like you say we can’t just wish and hope for them to follow that rule so some enforcement is needed.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

I had a look earlier and only saw the opposite (see lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…), do you have any links?

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

I agree the fines should be proportionate, but a police officer doing the enforcement can stop whoever they don’t like the look of whether or not they are actually speeding whereas a camera will only target those who are actually, you know, speeding.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Road tax doesn’t exist in the UK, and if it did it wouldn’t be something the local council has any control over. We need to get rids of the tories in the central government and start funding local councils better.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Cameras are enforcement without the discrimination and potential for violence that cops bring.

Traffic calming is great but it’s also more expensive. Maybe drivers should just try driving below the speed limit.

mondoman712, (edited ) to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

Fixing the infra would be great but local councils often just don’t have the money to.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

From 1992 to 2016, speed cameras reduced accidents by between 17 to 39 per cent and fatalities by between 58 to 68 per cent within 500 metres of the cameras.

lse.ac.uk/…/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-a…

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall

Speed cameras don’t discriminate on who they stop, and their enforcement doesn’t turn violent like it can do for human enforcement.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

You aren’t piloting a public transport vehicle, a professional is and you are free to not worry about it.

A frequent and comprehensive public transport system does allow for that freedom, without all of the burdens of car ownership. Bikes and car share can be used to fill in the gaps when the public transport isn’t comprehensive enough.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

The problem with electric cars is that they’re a distraction. They make people think they’re part of the solution when they’re only partly addressing one of the many problems cars cause. I’m not against people buying them assuming that they’re in a position where they need a new car, but advocating for electric cars as a solution is wrong. I read the OP like this, not how you read it.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

If you live in a dense area with more local shops, you’ll probably be doing more frequent, smaller shops throughout the week.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

I would argue that a fast, frequent and comprehensive public transport system gives you more personal freedom. Being able to easily get around without having to worry about piloting a heavy vehicle, without the burden of maintenance, and being flexible once out due to not needing to worry about where you’re storing your car. Plug the gaps with (electric and/or cargo) bikes for shorter trips and car share for longer ones and you have a much better, more equitable transport system.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

People are advocating for denser cities with better public transport, not for you to use the shitty bus in your suburb.

mondoman712, to fuck_cars in Electric cars: The equivalent of switching from binge drinking whiskey to binge drinking wine.

You can’t have bigger markets in smaller areas with cars because the cars take up so much space. Public transport gives access while still allowing for density, which provides a much larger market. The only ones losing out are the auto makers and oil companies.

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