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given how little one vote matter, it seems to me that stripping felons of their right to vote is both petty and counterproductive if the point was to reform them into civic minded individuals ?

Also, seems kind of scary that this implies a future where so many people are in prison that their vote could actually tip the balance ?

prole,

Also keep in mind that they count those prisoners as part of the census, which affects how resources are distributed.

So they’re counted, but don’t get a vote. Ripe for abuse by unscrupulous politicians.

prole,

It’s win/win for them. Thousands of fewer (likely mostly) Democratic leaning voters, and thousands of additional people counted in their census.

prole,

I imagine it’s more like a blood choke than an air choke.

prole,

Second the ketamine thing. It’s the GOAT (well, really, MXE is imo but that’s impossible to get anymore).

I’ve had a ton of drug experiences, and MXE/ketamine blow everything else out of the water.

prole,

I don’t know that they are though…

prole,

That’s an incredibly pessimistic way to view the world… I think it’s more accurate to say that people have the capacity for both good and evil. I’m not sure that you can say that “most everyone you know” are immoral or evil. That’s quite the claim.

Though we would also have to explore what “immoral,” and “evil” actually mean. Am I immoral for purchasing and using a cell phone made with materials that were obtained through means that destroy lives and damage ecosystems?

The modern world is far too complex and interconnected for people to avoid doing things that could be considered immoral or unethical.

prole,

Second the Gödel Escher Bach recommendation. Don’t really hear about that one these days.

prole,

Right. And it necessarily follows from that that all humans are therefore immoral. And if that’s the case, there is no longer any utility to the term “immoral.” It becomes a pointless exercise.

prole,

Not most people. Literally every person. Or maybe you could give me an example of a person that wouldn’t be considered immoral by your metric?

prole,

Ok, but buying a cell phone isn’t the only potentially immoral choice made by people regularly, it’s just one example. Modern life is a minefield with this stuff, and I’m incapable of imagining a person in modern society who is capable of avoiding every single one of these pitfalls. Hell, it could probably be argued that even existing on this dying planet could be considered immoral or unethical. Again, maybe I’m wrong and you could think of one. Maybe some ascetic living on the street in India?

Also, I don’t really agree that awareness is even relevant. You can do immoral things without being aware that the thing you’re doing could be considered immoral. The thing itself is still immoral.

Which was kind of my point; that it’s impossible to avoid in a modern, interconnected world. I probably did a dozen immoral things before breakfast this morning.

prole,

I haven’t. I’m currently at work and can’t watch. I was mostly pointing out that it becomes a pointless exercise when you realize that every human on the planet is considered immoral

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