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redballooon, to science_memes in abandonware empires

I wonder what kind of lab that is.

MeowZedong, to science_memes in abandonware empires
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It gets worse than this.

Not only does most scientific instrument software become abandonware, but there are companies that sell instruments that use the exact same components as they did 20 years ago. The only difference is now they swapped the stainless steel parts for plastic and charge luxury car prices for what will be a piece of garbage in 3 years. These pieces have nothing to do with chemical compatibility and everything to do with increasing the frequency of maintenance that the older models never needed.

lowleveldata, to science_memes in Sleeping Beauty Trolley Problem

Noise cancelling earphones sucks at blocking voices. Just yell and ask if there are others.

TauZero,

Or spit, or blow air at your potential neighbor, or fart in their general direction!

MelodiousFunk,
@MelodiousFunk@kbin.social avatar

If I'm tied to a train track any potential fart risks coming with a little extra mustard on it.

brianorca,

That’s assuming the villain who is trying to deny you information by the blindfold and earplugs was dumb enough to put them close together that a spit would reach a neighbor.

TauZero,

Exactly! Trying to think outside the box in a trolley problem is like wishing you could wish for more wishes in a genie problem.

howrar, (edited ) to science_memes in Sleeping Beauty Trolley Problem

tldr: Always flip the switch

Edited with some of TauZero’s suggested changes.


  • Let N be the size of the population that the villain abducts from
  • Let X be the event that you are abducted
  • Let R be the outcome of the villain’s roll
  • Let C be the event that you have control of the real switch

  • If 1-5 is rolled, then the probability that you are abducted is P(X|R∈{1,2,3,4,5}) = 1/N
  • If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10) = ((N-1)!/(9! * (N-10)!)) / (N!/(10! * (N-10)!)) = 10/N
  • The probability of getting abducted at all is P(X) = P(X|R∈{1,2,3,4,5})P(R∈{1,2,3,4,5}) + P(X|R=6)P(R=6) = (1/N)(5/6) + (10/N)(1/6)
  • The probability that a six was rolled given that you were abducted: P(R=6|X) = P(X|R=6)P(R=6)/P(X) = (10/N)(1/6)/((1/N)(5/6) + (10/N)*(1/6)) = 2/3

So as it turns out, the total population is irrelevant. If you get abducted, the probability that the villain rolled a 6 is 2/3, and the probability of rolling anything else is its complement, so 1/3.


Let’s say you want to maximize your chances of survival. We’ll only consider the scenario where you have control of the tracks.

  • P(C|R∈{1,2,3,4,5}) = 1/10
  • P(C|R=6) = 1
  • P(C) = P(C|R∈{1,2,3,4,5})P(R∈{1,2,3,4,5}) + P(C|R=6)P(R=6) = (1/10)(5/6) + (1)(1/6) = 1/4
  • P(R=6|C) = P(C|R=6)P(R=6)/P(C) = (1)(1/6)/(1/4) = 2/3
  • P(R∈{1,2,3,4,5}|C) = P(C|R∈{1,2,3,4,5})P(R∈{1,2,3,4,5})/P(C) = (1/10)(5/6)/(1/4) = 1/3
  • If you flip the switch, you have a 1/3 chance of dying.
  • If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.

If you want to maximize your own probability of survival, you flip the switch.


As for expected number of deaths, assuming you have control of the tracks:

  • If you flip the switch, the expected number of deaths is (1/3)*1+(2/3)*0 = 0.33.
  • If you don’t flip it, the expected number of deaths is (1/3)*0+(2/3)*10=6.67.

So to minimize the expected number of casualties, you still want to flip the switch.


No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.

TauZero,

Excellent excellent!

If 6 is rolled, then P(X|R=6) = (N-1 choose 9)/(N choose 10)

Might as well reduce that to 10/N to make the rest of the lines easier to read.

If you don’t flip it, you have a 2/3 chance of dying.

There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and equally selfish/altruistic as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.

No matter what your goal is, given the information you have, flipping the switch is always the better choice.

That is my conclusion too! I was surprised to learn though in the comment thread with @pancake that the decision may be different depending on the percentage of altruism in the population. E.g. if you are the only selfish one in an altruistic society, you’d benefit from deliberately not flipping the switch. Being a selfish one in a selfish society reduces to the prisoner’s dilemma.

howrar,

There is also a chance that your switch is not connected and someone else has control of the real one. So there is an implicit assumption that everyone else is equally logical as you and equally selfish/altruistic as you, such that whatever logic you use to arrive at a decision, they must have arrived at the same decision.

Ah, yes. I forgot to account for that in my calculations. I’ll maybe rework it when I find time tomorrow.

iAvicenna, (edited )
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

I am always surprised how my first guess gets wrecked by Bayes rule. I would have thought that there is 5/6 chance I am on side track and 1/6 that I am on the main track.

yttrium, to science_memes in eye spy

W-shaped pupils likely also help cuttlefish see color and polarization of light, despite not having any cone cells in their retinas!

…scientificamerican.com/…/polarized-display-sheds…

science.org/…/how-colorblind-cuttlefish-may-see-l…

rubpoll, to science_memes in bro pls
@rubpoll@hexbear.net avatar

As a Tales From the Loop TTRPG enjoyer, this rocks

TryingToEscapeTarkov, to science_memes in how the ivory tower maintains their exclusivity

LOOK AT MY MANGINA!

bloubz, to science_memes in bro pls

The transmutation circle is massive this time. We can’t fail the French-Swiss genocide.

(Btw I’ve worked on the Atlas project on the LHC, projects are always delayed)

technologicalcaveman, to science_memes in how the ivory tower maintains their exclusivity

Do you love me? Could you learn to love me?

Franzia, to science_memes in The real double-slit quantum eraser they don't want you to know about!

Too late I read about the poo science of this and now I think its just Schrödinger’s light switch whether they do one pattern of slits or the other to know if light is a wave or a photon or something I forget.

dingleberry, to science_memes in Sleeping Beauty Trolley Problem

There surely must’ve been a more comprehending way to phrase the dilemma.

interolivary,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, if I woke up tied to train tracks and had someone explain that to me, I’d zone out and then panic because I had no idea what the fuck was going on

TauZero,

Half the fun of trolley problems is adapting them to puzzles for which they are utterly unsuitable:

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ceb35284-fd49-44df-9c0b-723baff1530c.jpeg

pigup, to science_memes in bro pls

This meme got Sabine hossenfelder bricked up

BlemboTheThird, to science_memes in Reviewer 2 dot jpg

Reviewer 2 aint never heard of replication and wouldnt know what scientific rigor was if it kept slapping him in the face

bmsok, to science_memes in bro pls

I’d quark off to that.

Shardikprime, to science_memes in bro pls

Bro how we gonna get those extra flavors

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