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SnotFlickerman, (edited ) to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This is how FOSS dies.

Where the living fuck are the EFF’s team of lawyers?

I know they generally focus on US cases, but god damn, you’d think the egregiousness of this would get their asses involved.

MomoTimeToDie,

I mean the eff can only do so much to defend people who didn’t even fucking bother in the slightest to defend themselves and just rolled over at every turn

cloud_punk,

I feel like eff has bigger cases then a manga app dying

RobotToaster,

Was the case issued in Japan? From what I’ve read the legal system there is famously one sided, criminal cases have a 99.8% conviction rate.

ReluctantZen,

Kakao is Korean, but no cases have been issues yet right? Only threats

CJOtheReal,

Yes but thats enough for people with no money…

ReluctantZen,

For sure. I just mentioned it since the person I’m replying seemed to say a case already existed.

pjb,
@pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com avatar

IANAL but since they used the word “threatened” instead of “I’m getting sued”, no case is being filed.

Pretty sure that if they were actually getting sued they’d already be radio silent.

kikuri, (edited ) to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi

One of Tachiyomi contributors will fork the app and continue development

old.reddit.com/…/a_tachiyomi_fork_hoping_to_be_th…

AI_toothbrush,

There are already a lot of other forks no?

AbsurdityAccelerator,

I created one just for the hell of it. Call me Spartacus.

lapommedeterre,

Sparty Kiss

ObsidianZed,

I just had to look.


<span style="color:#323232;">3.2k forks
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IronKrill,

3.19k of those are inactive.

Chewy7324, (edited )

Hopefully their personal information won’t be found out by those lawyers, or they could also be threatened into stopping development. It’s sad to see how companies are bullying volunteers into stopping legal projects.

Edit: SLAPP suits are similar to this, where companies file lawsuits while knowing they’d lose, if the defendent had the time, money and stress tolerance to win the lawsuit. …wikipedia.org/…/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public…

CJOtheReal,

Companies that do that should loose all copyright and patents they ever had in return. I think that would solve the problem pretty quickly. (or the responsible person should get his hands cut off like in the good old days lol)

Secret300,

Please let reddit die already, why he post there

whou, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

i’m so fucking sad that a shitty¹ company was able to bully a 100% legal piece of FOSS to shut down.

It is THE best app for reading manga, and it single-handedly started my love and (healthy) addiction to reading manga lol. It’s also one of the best examples on how a FOSS model is superior to any competitive proprietary one.

I hope so much luck to the devs and every contributor. Their work through all these years is immeasurable. Makes me regret a little for not trying to contribute to the community with some code at a time I was wanting to. Thanks for all the hours of fun reading manga. I’m sure at this very moment people are already organizing a fork to live on Tachiyomi’s legacy, as is the spirit of FOSS.

d3Xt3r, (edited )

There are already a few actively maintained forks of Tachiyomi. TachiJ2K and TachiyomiSY are two such popular forks which have several features not present in the original app. In fact, many hardcore manga readers in the community had already switched to them years ago. There’s also Aniyomi, which not only supports manga but also watching anime via extensions, the same way you’d read manga in Tachiyomi.

So thanks to the power of FOSS, Tachiyomi already continues to live on and you don’t need to wait for a fork.

@simple @junezephier @WadamT

Mannivu,

Are we sure TachiJ2K will still be developed? I really hope Kakao won’t threaten them too.

jacktherippah,

Jay hasn’t responded yet. I’m still holding out hope. J2K is my favorite fork.

dditty,

Is this what I have to do to get extensions working in TachiJ2K or TachiyomiSY?

reddit.com/…/unofficial_help_guide_for_tachiyomi_…

d3Xt3r,

Yep. I use keiyoushi and it works fine.

Anti_Face_Weapon,

The word needs to get out about this somehow

whou,

oh yeah, I heard about the already forked projects before, certainly awesome that people already have that option. I do use Aniyomi, and it’s pretty damn good.

For some reason I’ve never felt like I needed extra features that the main project didn’t have, so I’ve never looked out for forks. But looking at some of the forks right now they seem pretty good as well and do have features that would be super useful to me. Certainly will try it out.

FOSS is so amazing.

Aquilae, to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi
@Aquilae@hexbear.net avatar

I hate capitalism I hate capitalism

CJOtheReal,

This isn’t about capitalism, this is about legal systems sucking ass.

mnemonicmonkeys, (edited )

Tbf, what Kakao is doing isn’t legal

CJOtheReal,

Yes, but to prove that you’d have to go to court and that requires lawyers wich can’t work for free.

I say lets DDOS their website and services until they fuck off. They are a illigal monopoly as well in Korea but their korrupt system doesn’t do shit against them.

brax,

No no, throw drugs in their HQ then go after them. The precedent set is that the container is the problem, not the source of the illegal things itself.

CJOtheReal,

If we throw stuff in there it should be 20 tonns of Cocaine and that in every corner of their offices so that the entire company goes down.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

DDOS is terribly illegal.
Thabk you but no.
You can do it if you want to. I wouldnt advocate the action though.

CJOtheReal,

DDOS is terribly illegal

Bro… We are in a piracy community… And shit is only illegal if you get caught in general.

ladfrombrad,
@ladfrombrad@lemdro.id avatar

DDOS is terribly illegal

Bro… We are in a piracy community… And shit is only illegal if you get caught in general.

Sailors do not enable abuse nor condone getting yourself locked up.

That’s stupid 101.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Copyright vs federal jurisdiction.

I wonder for what you get a slap on the wrist and a fine and for what prison/jail time when participating.

What we do here with piracy for mostly personal gain is petty at best. That comment excludes the uploaders of such content.

CJOtheReal,

Its not illegal if you don’t get caught… And especially not when you aren’t in Korea where the “crime” is committed…

gunpachi, (edited ) to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi

R.I.P tachiyomi, I have used it for years. Kind of sad to see it go. Are the forks also abandoning development ? I have been using the TachiJ2k fork for the past 3 years or so.

I guess I will be shifting to kotatsu soon.

ppfdee,

TachiyomiSY will still be actively developed. No idea about J2K but I read somewhere that the dev will implement third party repo support sometime next week so I guess that’s a sign.

spiderman, (edited )

SY devs have announced to develop a new app that won’t be just a tachiyomi fork.

!@everyone Update we now have a name.
Mihon (見本), Logo is being made by the same guy who made Tachiyomi’s
Context: Coming to terms with the practice of ‘tachiyomi’ but not wanting to have all of their books flipped through, bookstores started designing books and magazines labeled ‘Mihon’ (ie. samples) for people who engage in ‘tachiyomi’.

ppfdee, (edited )

Yeah Mihon is the successor to Tachyomi but TachyomiSY’s dev also clarified that he’ll still be working on SY as its own thing.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7459e625-7b7c-4e6b-8a0d-59ce23c942ff.jpeg

spiderman, (edited )

I don’t know why they want to continue working on two different things when one clearly tries to be a successor.

ppfdee,

No idea as well but more options is always good

spiderman,

more options are definitely good if the developers are different, i hope the devs aren’t burner out by developing two applications serving the same purpose.

IronKrill,

I use SY and I get the sense that Bobby is more of a fast and loose type while the Mihon dev is focused more on polish. My assumptions are based on the unpolished nature of SY features and the Mihon dev saying “some of us liked plain Tachiyomi” [sic].

spiderman,

I just downloaded TachiyomiSY before a week and I liked how it was better than TachiyomiSY in feature wise. I think Bobby is a dev who focuses more on features aspect. So if the other dev focuses on user interface, I hope it might be a good pair.

perniczech,
@perniczech@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Mihon dev is focused more on polish

I was wondering what does this have to do with Polish people 😭

Secret300, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

This is why I need weaponized drones.

ULS,

Do you have a 3d printer?

Secret300,

Nah I’m broke

MomoTimeToDie, to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi

While many will be understandably angry or disappointed in our lack of backbone or perceived selfishness

At least they’re aware of their deficiencies

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@lemmy.world avatar

How about you spend tens of thousands of dollars you don’t have to defend a hobby project in court?

Maalus,

Against a corporation that has a shitload of funding in a tech illiterate court

MomoTimeToDie,

They didn’t even fucking try the bare minimum of just refusing to comply. Besides, it’s such a comically baseless case by some fucking worthless gook company. It doesn’t cost tens of thousands of dollars to tell them to shove it up their ass, at the bare minimum.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Kakao is one of the biggest Korean companies, their app is used over there as common as Whatsapp is in the west.

MomoTimeToDie,

So entirely irrelevant in the US?

blackfire, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

Its a damnshame but totally understandable. Surprised it went on so long

RandomLegend,
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Why would it be understandable?

Tachiyomi was 100% legal

blackfire,

It exists in the same category as pop corn time and Kodi. Sure its legal but to make it do illegal things is so easy it might as well be illegal itself from the start.

optissima,

Time to ban cars, guns, knives, screwdrivers…

Melonpoly,

I agree with the first two

Halosheep,

My fists are pretty easy to make do illegal things too. Maybe we should start cutting off people’s hands, just in case. You never know when someone might use a finger to click a PIRACY button.

onlinepersona, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

We really need federated source forges on anonymous networks like I2P.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Developers have a right to eat and pay for a roof over their head. NC prevents that.

onlinepersona,

Donations don’t exist.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

twei,

What? Why?

onlinepersona,

Then the devs could be anonymous and the their repos couldn’t be taken down.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

twei,

Okay, but why? Can’t you do that with selfhosted gitea/gitlab/forgejo? Remember that access to the instance has to be easy enough that normies can use it, so I guess having to figure out i2p is not viable

onlinepersona,

Because they you can ignore takedown requests and just focus on working on the project, not fearing lawsuits.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

Linus_Torvalds,

Unironically thank you for licensing your comments! :)

Gooey0210, to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi

If anyone interested, i don’t really give a damn about like anything

When the police tries to stop my motorbike, i just continue riding

If you need any person who will officially show middle fingers to any authorities, send me a message

Texas_Hangover,
Gooey0210,

Upvoted, only meme comments are officially supported

Chaewon, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.
@Chaewon@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Tachiyomi was so good that I literally kept my old android around only for that app.

Suwayomi still exists but it relies on Tachiyomi extensions so I don’t know how useful it’s going to be going forward.

Frick Kakao!!

American_Jesus,
Chewy7324, (edited ) to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

It’s sad to see companies threatening completely legal projects, knowing that the volunteering developers don’t have the time and money to win a lawsuit against a large company with lawyers. It’s nothing less than bullying volunteers, or similar to SLAPP suits.

Edit: typo

wiki_me,

GNOME once fought off a patent lawsuit, Maybe they could have partnered with a non profit related to FOSS that could have done the “heavy lifting”.

junezephier, (edited ) to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

unfortunate to see, it’s been a great app for a long time. Anyone know of an alternative that’s good? I mostly just read on mobile through firefox on mangafire now, but would love if an app offered a better experience

WadamT,
@WadamT@lemmy.ml avatar

A long time contributor of Tachiyomi plans to continue the work under a new name ‘Mihon’. Reddit post

Mannivu,

There are forks (I use TachiJ2K) but who knows what their future will be.

simple, to opensource in It's joever. Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed.

This sucks. Tachiyomi was by far the best app for reading comics, none of the paid options come even close in terms of options or ease of use.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s not like it’ll stop working for local files.

You could still get the actual comics anywhere, convert em to .cbz, and chuck em in some folders named by series. In that sense, Tachiyomi should keep working forever.

It’s really only the streamlined online sources that’ll break over time, and no new features will get added.

Lucky for us, looks like it’ll be getting forked and live on as “Mihon”.

TWeaK,

So does Tachiyomi also provide the external sources? My impression was they just did the app, and you got things from elsewhere, but I’ve never used it (or even heard of it before today).

It’s also already got 3 forks, they link them on their website.

ipha,

So does Tachiyomi also provide the external sources?

No, tachiyomi is just a browser for other sites.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Tachiyomi is just a comic reader, but it can aggregate from A LOT of sources, both local files and websites. Each online source (mangadex, tapas) requires a plug-in to work. Those plugins need maintenance and workarounds for stuff like cloudflare blocks.

Needless to say a lot of content hosts aren’t fans of a client that pulls content without the user ever seeing an ad or something, so these plug-ins tend to break.

rwhitisissle,

There’s a number of existing forks already. Most of them for porn. For the ones that have integrated with the last Tachiyomi update that removed native extensions, what you’ll be able to do is set a repository as an upstream apk source for whatever extensions you want. There’s plenty of those already on github. You just have to look for them.

Blackmist,

Yeah, as somebody with an ever growing pile of apps that stop working every time I upgrade my phone, I wouldn’t count on it.

If somebody doesn’t take it over and rebuild for every pointless Android change, it will eventually disappear.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

I still have apps that I made to work on android 6, working just fine. Android has extremely good backwards compatibility.

The reason tachiyomis plug-ins would stop working is that the sources they pull content from keep blocking them, and there wouldn’t be anyone to come up with new workarounds.

Android itself hasn’t changed that much unless your app is overly reliant on old app permissions. Which tachiyomi isn’t.

LadyAutumn, (edited ) to piracy in It's joever | Tachiyomi

There’s already dozens of forks. There was before all of this even started. Sad to see it go, but the app itself and how it functions will pretty well certainly go on. Tachiyomi isn’t even an app that needs routine updates, it’s the extensions that do. So existing setups will probably work indefinitely so long as extensions continue getting updates…

So, sounds very “oh fuck” but for end users probably means literally nothing changes. Unless something breaks the functionality of the app, which really just means the reader and library and everything, it doesn’t need active maintenance. Bugs might crop up occasionally, but everything looks fine as of now.

EstrangedMoistness,

For now, this is true. But those forks get updates from Tachiyomi (changes in Android / security fixes / feature updates / bug fixes) so they need a new base.

It seems important to follow the Mihon rebrand. Some forks, SY and AZ, announced they will rebase off Mihon (it’s in the of the Mihon discord server discord.gg/mihon)

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