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sparky, to fuck_cars in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
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Clickbait headline, and stupid article. At no point are they making the claim that EVs are worse than combustion engines. The author posits that bicycles and walking are even more climate friendly than driving a car of any kind (duh). This entire article could be replaced by the sentence, “We should keep building trams and bike lanes in the EV era”.

mondoman712,

The point is that the money spent on electric car subsidies went mostly to more wealthy people and took money away from investing in things like better public transport.

LennethAegis, to fuck_cars in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
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“Most Norwegian cities now have more of a car-centric, American approach toward transportation than a multi-modal, European one,”

That's a sad sentence to read, I always assumed Norway was like Sweden with amazing public transportation as well.

SkyeStarfall,

I live in Oslo, and that’s not true for here at least. Oslo probably has one of the best public transit systems in the world, at least relative to its population. I never use any form of car, personal or taxi, I don’t even own a driving license, and I can easily get anywhere I want to go. At least within the city.

legofreak,

As soon as you leave the city though, you’re having a problem. Bicycle infrastructure is basically non-existent, cars heavily impeding buses - at least where I live - which delays them all the time and centralised bus hubs, which means that you always have to go to the bus hub first, change bus lines and then go to your destination.

This is also my biggest problem with the metro in Oslo. If you live slightly outside of Oslo but still along the metro line, the only way to travel perpendicular to the metro lines is often to take the metro towards the city, change lines and go back almost the same direction you came from.

sparky,
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I think this is a failure of imagination on the part of the author. Norway is, on a whole, much more rural; a large portion of the population lives in small towns and villages in areas with difficult terrain (think fjords), where public transport beyond a bus is impractical due to population densities.

The public transport in Oslo and Bergen are fantastic - Norway’s only two large cities. Keeping in mind that over a quarter of the population of the entire country lives in these two, it’s not as bad as it sounds.

LennethAegis,
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I see, that makes sense. I appreciate the lesson in Norway's infrastructure.

DAT, to fuck_cars in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
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so it’s not the “electric” part that’s the problem in norway

it’s still better than combustion engines

stupid headline!

mondoman712,

It’s not the cars being electric that’s the problem, but their approach to electric cars and seeing them as a solution is.

toaster, to fuck_cars in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts

E-bikes and infrastructure would have been a cheap and effective alternative for those subsidies as well.

Swedneck,
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or like, electric mopeds

at least here in sweden like 90% of the population is within easy moped range of their daily business

brewery,

I am really coming around to the fact that mopeds should be more common. The trouble is, it feels dangerous until car/van/trucks reduce in number, which is a catch-22.

I am thinking of getting one for my commute as just started a new job where it is possible to go on public transport but takes twice as long and lots of changes. Its just awkward placement really rather than the lack of transport, as have to criss cross. It does blow my mind how everyone is driving around tanks just for one person to travel (as cars have gotten noticeably bigger), it just doesn’t make sense!

Swedneck,
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a good step in the right direction is moped cars, small 2-seaters that legally qualify as mopeds.

amanaftermidnight, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

Everybody gangsta until Texans become allergic to BBQs

HeavenAndHell, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat
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Vegans: “Write that down! Write that down!”

oSillyScope,

An ex of mine was a vegetarian, and when she heard about Lonestar ticks, she said it would sure be funny if she put one on me so I would have to be a vegetarian too. That was the moment she became an ex.

Bootheal0179, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat
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This species is also suspected to carry a spirochete bacteria in the same genus as Lyme disease bacteria. It’s symptoms are very similar to Lyme. The infection is named STARI, short for Southern Tick Associated Rash Illness. My spouse got it in 2010 and has never been the same since.

Polar, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

I’m deathly allergic to chicken, turkey, tuna, ham, and a few other meats randomly. Life is so shit now. They hide meat products in literally everything. It’s FUCKED.

Ser_Salty,

I don’t think I’ve ever seen meat being hidden in stuff. Milk, though? Fucking everywhere. Just 1% milk powder in everything so they can get those dairy subsidies.

Stovetop,

Meat derivatives are in a lot of products. Seasonings, sauces, etc. can hide a lot of those. You can order like a teriyaki tofu dish, for example, and most of the time you’ll be fine. But you’ll eventually run into a variety here and there that uses dashi or oyster sauce in the ingredients. Or you get kimchi and have to worry about the same thing with fish sauce. You get a bag of BBQ potato chips, there’s a chance it contains chicken. Order a cheese pizza, the sauce may still contain tiny bits of sausage. Even a vegetable soup may still use beef or chicken stock.

Ser_Salty,

Damn, maybe that’s a regional thing. You know, food regulations and stuff. I’ve definitely seen a couple examples of what you’re talking about, but I’ve never seen it as common.

Stovetop,

Just to clarify, it’s not that they don’t list the ingredients (that would be very illegal), but for people who have a food allergy or dietary restriction, it’s something that you have to stay vigilant about. Most teriyaki sauces do not contain animal products, for example, but some do. And whether that is just honey, or if it’s a meat derivative, it comes down to checking the ingredients list. And if you’re not the one preparing a particular dish yourself, it can be difficult to trust. You can go to any restaurant and inform the server of your allergies/restrictions, but that basically boils down to how much you trust someone paid minimum wage or less to care about you.

lumberjacked, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat
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This happened to me about 5 years ago. Wasn’t too bad. Just had hives and awful gut pain. Enough to make you not want it but nothing life threatening.

Since I’ve figured it out, I’ve had beef or pork accidentally maybe two or three times. Feel awful for about a day.

I don’t miss red meat too much. Thinking about going full vegetarian.

contextual_somebody,

I have it. It took years to get diagnosed and it was making me SICK. I’ve had reactions from breathing the air where they’re cooking meat. It’s no joke

starman2112, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

Praxis

Roundcat, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat
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Vegans: How can i learn this power?

Lenny, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

A friend of mine got this. It took forever to pin down what was wrong (basically it was like having IBS but didn’t know why). After learning about it he asked his doctor to test for it and they were like “lol, no way but sure okay” and lo and behold…

outdated_belated,

What did they test for, exactly? Meat allergy?

Cypher,

Yes, you can test for antibodies that indicate what allergies you have.

reddig33, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

Think about the impact it would have on climate change if humans were allergic to meat.

brygphilomena,

There seems to be a wildly unusual anti-meat sentiment on Lemmy. It’s disproportionate from my experience in person.

I wonder if it means anything.

20gramsWrench,

Lemmy is a foss anti-coporate project, what kind of demographics do you expect to see here ?

Sunforged,

The average lemmy user is more educated and empathetic to the impact of the industrial meat industry than the average person?

KoofNoof,

Lemmy is a vegan trans leftist echo chamber

Zirconium,

These damn vegan echo chambers. They’re talking about vegan recipes to try out

Spacegrass,

And sharing our seitanic rites.

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy.world atleast is a space to discuss things positively but I’d rather it not become an echo chamber

Source: me being a leftist who says trans rights are human rights

Zirconium,

Look at this guy

SkyeStarfall,

Good

soylentgreed,

I could think of worse echo chambers

WhiteHawk,

Maybe, but echo chambers are never a good thing

SkyeStarfall,

I’m in the “human rights are good, actually” echo chamber

WhiteHawk,

Everyone is the good guy in their own mind

KyuubiNoKitsune,

We're all ticks here

WhatASave,

GGs I was the tick

shotgun_crab,

We are rats, sir

reddig33,

Meh. I’m not vegan. I just thought it was an interesting connection. Possibly another example of nature fighting back.

Kushan,
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Lemmy’s userbase is currently skewed very left wing, many people on the left are vegan or vegetarian or at least care about climate change enough to see reduction in meat consumption as a necessity to fixing it.

So it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise that you see more anti-meat discourse.

Disclaimer: I eat meat

AlecSadler,

I’m confused by this and totally open for evidence that proves otherwise, but literally everyone I know who is vegetarian or vegan is a bit more or…insanely more on the conservative side.

I don’t know any liberal vegetarian or vegans.

PolydoreSmith,

Wait, really? My experience has been the exact opposite. Where do you live, generally?

AlecSadler,

Portland, Oregon.

PolydoreSmith,

Huh, fascinating. I grew up in the Northeast and live in the Southeast now. I wanna do a sociological study on this.

BarrelAgedBoredom,

I think you know some crunchy people. Or some republicans with a little bit of extra brain damage. There is a very strong left bias in vegan circles and vegetarians to a lesser extent

AlecSadler,

Fair enough, appreciate the insight!

degrix,
@degrix@lemmy.hqueue.dev avatar

I think overall I associate more people on the left being vegan than the right; however, anecdotally I know more vegans that are conservative/right leaning. I don’t know why that is other than maybe it being a fairly well off area with hippie roots.

ahto,

That’s fascinating, here in Germany it’s the opposite, at least in my experience. Everyone I know who is vegetarian or vegan (including me) tends to lean more left than those who eat meat.

BonfireOvDreams,
@BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world avatar

Vegan here. I don’t know any conservative vegans, except for a single YouTuber. From an anti-oppression perspective, being on the right doesn’t really make sense for veganism. The right will perpetually define the needless taking of conscious life as personal choice as if the choice itself is morally relevant. Anyway, perhaps you live in an area with lots of repubs and neolibs?

AlecSadler,

Portland, Oregon.

nieceandtows,

Depends on where you’re from. There are countries like India where being vegetarian is a conservative, religious policy, where as in the US, being vegetarian (mostly vegan) is a liberal choice.

x4740N, (edited )
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

I am left wing but I’m not vegan and I’ll never be vеgаn and that is my personal choice

I don’t mind if others are vеgаn or vegetarian but when you start bullying people off a platform for not being vеgаn then that’s when I do mind

If I do see any of that bullying I do report it and I suggest you should too

/positive connotation

friendlymessage,

Who’s being bullied?

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t seen any bullying by vegetarians at all

20gramsWrench,

there’s a video of a bunch of vegans stoping a truck from moving for a few hours, truly terrifying terrorism

a_spooky_specter,

I don’t think many on the left are vegan or vegetarian, I think that those two groups tend to live in the left spectrum. They’re far outweighed by those that do eat meat.

WhiteHawk,

True, but the proportion of non-meat eaters is certainly much higher with the sort of people that make up the majority of this community than with the whole population

friendlymessage,

They’re far outweighed by those that do eat meat.

Hehe, meat-eaters fat

sik0fewl,

Ecoterrorists finally figured it out.

pavnilschanda,
@pavnilschanda@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose. but I worry about those who cannot biologically process a vegetarian diet no matter the supplements they take. If they get bitten by the tick, they’re fucked

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

I do hate that this is downvoted as your comment seems to have been targeted out of rash and inflammatory reaction to your comment

Your comment is logical and I believe people who don’t choose to be vеgаn shouldn’t be forced into it

I’d hoped this response to comments would have stayed on reddit but apparently not

Dark_Blade,
@Dark_Blade@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a shame, but tribalism is built into our species; the moment someone gets even a whiff of ‘us vs them’, it comes back into the forefront.

BluesF,

You’d have to be pretty damn unlucky to not only have one rare condition affecting your diet, but also get bitten by the makes-you-vegetarian-bug

Ser_Salty,

That’s a thing? I mean, non-meat products are… well, an absolute fuckton. Obviously I know there’s stuff like gluten or fructose intolerance, allergies, etc.,but the spectrum of “things that aren’t meat” just seems too large for somebody to be incapable to live without it. Like, you would have to be absolute stacked with rare medical issues affecting your dietary options.

JoumanaKayrouz, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat
@JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world avatar

I wish a mother fucka would

pizzaiolo, to mildlyinteresting in This tick’s spit can make you allergic to meat

Huge methane emissions reduction thanks to a little tick

gk99,

And we’d still have poultry and fish in the end.

Not the worst thing that a tick could be spreading at all.

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Considering it usually coincides with Lyme disease, I'd say it's still pretty damn bad

LillianVS,
@LillianVS@lemmy.world avatar

This. Those who would purposely catch these to get a nation of vegetarians like some people have mentioned would be giving people Lyme disease and other nasties that come with being bitten by a tick. These aren’t things to mess around with.

Madison420,

Lyme and babiosis.

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