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Honytawk, (edited ) in Your PC will thank you...

You get a huge backlash if you advice Windows to a Linux user.

But somehow this is supposed to be funny?

adrian783,

the irony is the “just use another distro” advices

Euphoma,

Its funny because a lot of people do this even though its completely unhelpful in solving their problem.

Honytawk,

Ah, the funny part is the cringe, I see.

I encountered it tons before, like people suggesting Chrome when the only browser that was supported was IE back in the day.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

It’s the “just Google it” response

puchaczyk,

To be fair, Windows’ support is also unhelpful in solving their problem.

nicoweio,

To be fair, using Linux is (usually) much more of an active decision.

circuitfarmer, (edited ) in Oh boy, goodie!
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’ve heard an argument that a reason why Disney has pushed Steamboat Willie lately (new intro for Disney Animation films, and a lot of merch) is because copyright law works differently from trademark law. They can still claim a trademark even if the copyrighted work is in public domain. I’m not a lawyer, but if that’s not all BS, I don’t think we have to worry about anything like this anytime soon.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Meeh, it’s just a joke. It would be an aimmediate downer for me if I was a fisrt time xfce user.

DaBPunkt,
@DaBPunkt@lemmy.world avatar

AFAIK you can only claim a trademark-violation if someone is (for example) selling stuff (so you couldn’t sell stuffed animals that look like an early Mickey for example).

Ullallulloo,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

A trademark just has to be “used in commerce as a mark”. In layman’s terms, that basically means distributing goods or services with it as a logo or a name. A stuffed animal could be infringement, but using something a logo for your software is much closer to the classic infringement fact pattern.

Ullallulloo,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

I am a lawyer, and that is correct. You can use old Mickey for general purposes, but not as a mark.

EmergMemeHologram, in which ones do you think I missed?

Can we throw Steve Irwin in here. I bet that dude could have saved the Great Barrier Reef and a whole lot of wildlife if he had more means.

camelbeard,

This is exactly why those people never become billionaires. You can’t make billions without screwing over people and the environment.

CriticalMiss, (edited ) in why exit when you can do everything inside

I love vim, but it wasn’t always like this. When I was a Linux newbie one of the things that irritated me most is that tutorials aimed at beginners told readers to use vim, without explaining how to maneuver it. People, if you write tutorials aimed at beginners please use nano, even if it’s not your preferred text editor.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

This 👆👆👆.

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i agree with your request. vim used to scare me first.

as a side note: one of the reasons I believe as to why vscode grew in popularity was due to it lowering the barrier to just open up the editor and use it right away(with plugin system and a nice GUI). it is something vim by default doesn’t do.

VubDapple,

The first time I opened vim (it was probably just vi at the time) I couldn’t exit it and had to shut down the computer by holding down the power button (!) to regain control of the machine. It took a while before I tried it again. Ultimately nano felt like it was for kids and emacs felt like an even worse option than vi so I memorized a few sequences, eg :q!, :wq, how to enter the insert mode and how to exit it and simple edit commands like dd and x and this gave me enough proficiency to get by.

Most all the terminal commands require prior study before they become easy to use. Its because Unix was created by engineers rather than by ui/ux design professionals.

lurch, (edited )

In Linux terminals, you probably could have pressed Alt+F2 or Ctrl+Alt+F2 (F2 could be other F-keys) and log in on a second terminal to recover (by reading the manual or killing it). Also, if bash already had job control back then Ctrl+Z would have suspended vi/vim to the background.

I’m writing this, so people try it and maybe remember it, if they get stuck in some program. Doesn’t have to be vi. Maybe you just launched a long dd command and don’t want to end it, but want to look something up. These hints may help then.

elvith,

Help, how do I exit vi?


<span style="color:#323232;">Ctrl+Alt+F2
</span><span style="color:#323232;">sudo killall vim
</span>

Hmmm… never thought about that, honestly, but it makes sense

marcos,

sudo killall vim

Just make sure you are using a GNU system.

0x4E4F, in Linus does not fuck around

Damn… we’re so lucky to have Linus… I just love him, he’s just straight to the point, no bullshit… I love that!

naevaTheRat,

Linus doesn’t love that, he literally got therapy to not be like that. Maybe there’s a lesson there for you.

In fact, in a more recent talk he mentioned being horrified at the sort of people who liked how he spoke and the way they assumed he shared their political opinions as a significant motivator.

0x4E4F,

I just love people that don’t beat around the bush and are straight to the point. We have enough snowflakes and bullshitters in this world IMO. Everyone’s so sensitive all the time, like… grow up and own your mistakes. And a wake up call guy like Linus is exactly what people need.

AffineConnection,

I just love people that don’t beat around the bush and are straight to the point.

It’s obviously possible to be stern and direct while maintaining composure instead of having a temper tantrum.

0x4E4F, (edited )

Agreed.

But, having one definitely raises alarams about the seriousness of the issue… and this was a serious issue, not breaking user space is why we’re still using Linux. If it broke something on every update, I’m sure we would have opted for something else a long time ago… so would every server on this earth, as well as Google for Android.

naevaTheRat,

If you think it is acceptable to lash out at someone you’re mean and if you can’t find ways to communicate clearly without lashing out you’re a bad communicator.

Linux/open source has a massive problem with finding maintainers and contributors for critical projects and a significant contributor is just how awful the communication culture of programmers is.

0x4E4F,

Nope, actually I’m fairly calm. I only lash out when others do it at me first, but I own up (not lash out) if I was to blame. And the guy did own up, and that’s great IMO, he admitted he was wrong. Bravo 👏.

Kernel devs are like mini-gods, so I can understand them being with their nose up in the clouds a bit… and they completely deserve that, they’re the driving force behind what we use every day, for free I might add. But, since Linus started the whole thing, it’s his show, he’s running it. If he doesn’t like what’s being done, and especially if it’s bullshit code, yes, I completely understand him lashing out… I might not do it that way, but I feel that there is nothing wrong with that either.

arandomthought, in I found it! The manual! I'm not sure it's helping me though...

It’s all there, just RTFM!

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, in Accurate?
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Accurate for a Linux meme, yes.

Accurate in real life? No.

d00phy,

Thank you! So I CARE about my privacy, so ChromeOS is on the table!?

baatliwala, in You should

If you actually want that cat it’s Uni

seaQueue, in It's OK if you cry
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus Christ OP use trigger warnings

CowsLookLikeMaps,

Broadcom
shudders

seaQueue,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Broadcom looks good next to Realtek, and both of them stand head and shoulders above Mediatek.

0x4E4F,

🤣🤣🤣

possiblylinux127,

WiFi be like that

2xsaiko, in Cmake me!
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

One of these is not like the others (and it’s not CMake).

Also, the syntax is absolutely mental but I like CMake :V

huginn, in maybe

hey I know you’re working 40 hours a week but how about you work 40 more hours a week but for free?

Hell I firmly believe that there are no developers who write their best code at the end of the week. 30 hours of coding a week should be a hard limit at companies.

Stowaway,

That seems excessive, maybe let’s make it 25. :p

FippleStone,

The same is true for most professions I feel

jaybone,

With all the fuckin meetings we have, we’re lucky to get in 30 hours of coding.

huginn,

I only have about 8 hours of meetings a week and that’s as a staff eng. Sounds like your place needs to drop a buncha meetings. Lemme guess: your managers have never been engineers before?

jaybone,

Other way around. Managers were engineers and want to micromanage implementation details.

mcmoor,

And then you have those overemployed people

Ooops, in They caught us
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

That's defintiely the wrong title.

No, it's not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.

It's Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.

Honytawk,

If you are able to use those buttons in the terminal, it wouldn’t be a terminal.

turbowafflz,

What? The person you’re replying to doesn’t have the best argument in the world so I’m not exactly siding with them, but also a lot of terminals very much do support mouse input. I’m not sure which all ones it is, but I know the gnome terminal does and I’m pretty sure Konsole does as well. Obviously not every program you run in the terminal is going to support it but off the top of my head I remember vim does as well as I’m pretty sure dialog

ILikeBoobies,

How do people use Windows without CLI?

It’s way harder to GUI-only than Linux

otp,

Menus upon menus upon menus!

janus2,
@janus2@lemmy.zip avatar

deluding yourself that having to edit registry values and write scripts all the time is definitely interfacing 100% graphically

Mark132012,

I want to point and click.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Father, I can not click the terminal.

palordrolap,

Just put MOUSE.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS or run MOUSE.EXE from your AUTOEXEC.BAT

... wait, where am I again?

neonred,

Don’t forget loadhigh (lh) and his friend DEVICEHIGH and check with mem the memory layout if anything more can be sqeezed into some unused block lying around…

socsa,

When did these hallucinations first start?

FauxPseudo, in Can you install thid 25 year old program?
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

Can you open this 25 year old document? Windows: Why would I want to do that? Linux: Of course!

ColdWater,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

What kind of documents?

Honytawk,

More like:

Windows Of Course! You can even save it in the new format because the one you were using is pretty dated and insecure.

GlitchyDigiBun,
@GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Linux: You got this far! I’m sure you’ll figure it out, champ!

m3t00,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

doze: first accept this ula and new embedded ads

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

I will, as soon as the update processes in the background stop hogging my CPU

metaStatic, in They caught us

I don't even see the symbols anymore

Gork, in You have no power here

If you’re feeling even more paranoid, go with something even more obscure like Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It’s Unix-like but differs so much from it that a Unix or Linux type malware would do nothing to it.

Laser,

I always want to try Plan 9 or one of its successors but actually never do. So many interesting concepts but nothing really to apply them to.

psud,

There’s always GNU/HURD, if you want a little compatibility

Laser,

It’s a good question what I really want. I’m very satisfied with my current system (NixOS) but in the end it’s still Linux and stuff like the 9P filesystem just intrigues me. So it’s not like I’d need to switch or anything. But a playground to apply the concepts to some problems would be nice. Maybe I’ll try 9front some day and see what I can do with it

Gork, (edited )

Indeed. A fun little project but unfortunately it doesn’t seem ready for any sort of daily use. Driver support (a crucial component) is probably pretty scarce. Their web browsers too are hit-or-miss, with one in particular (Links) that crashes when performing a during Google search.

Still, there are few alternatives that differ substantially from the original ancestral Unix that are available and more should be developed. GNU/Hurd and the BSD’s are the only ones I know of.

banneryear1868,

I only run z/OS on an IBM mainframe.

Gork, (edited )

Mmm too modern for my tastes. Gotta go with the Lyons Electronic Office LEO I OS from 1951.

It would need punch card malware lol.

Ooh let’s go back even further to ENIAC in 1945.

banneryear1868,

It’s nice you could just solder in new components.

Tru64 and SunOS are furthest I go back I think, Commodore KERNAL/BASIC technically.

Obscure OS you could actually run today could be Solaris…

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