i would not have found this federated alternative if not for the protest.
i, for one, am glad to not have to put up with the ever increasing ads, the constant "install reddit app" popup, the crappy "new" interface (vs the "old".. which i continued to use)...
Remains to be seen how the post June 30 impact to mobile apps and the mod community shapes up. But the drive to further monetize the platform for the IPO is the writing on the wall afaiac.
Yes, the federated user base is still in its infancy.. but quality over quantity :)
Thinks seem to be picking up in the Threadiverse, so something definitely changed. It's nowhere near Reddit levels of activity but getting better. Personally, my 12 year account is now gone which is significant for me.
Same for me.. cancelled my Apollo subscription and denied the auto refund so Christian could keep the cash, cancelled my Reddit Premium Sub and started donating to the Fediverse Instance I use for Kbin and Mastodon. Haven’t been on Reddit since.
I may just be one guy but I spoke with my money and my website activity/data.
I view the protest as a shot across the bow. The warning about how much impact the changes are going to cause if Reddit doesn't back off. Reddit management has gone with "damn the torpedoes; full speed ahead". It is the next round that is going to indicate whether mods and users are really ready to bail.
Digg didn't die all at once. It was a very slow, miserable death.
And even now, Digg still exists, with some users even. As long as the Threadiverse gets better and Reddit gets worse, we'll see continued waves of people leaving.
The real question is whether it'll look like Digg -> Reddit (where most everyone left eventually) or Twitter -> Mastodon (where large groups of people were "too confused" and didn't move).
I personally never browsed TIHI. It was always one of those where linking it was more of a meme than actually browsing it in my mind. Similar to how a lot of people would comment “/r/unexpectedjohnmulaney” but very few people were actually subbed to /r/unexpectedjohnmulaney. Because who the heck wants a bunch of pictures of comments referencing John Mulaney jokes in their feed? It’s the old “subreddits as hashtags” bit.
All that being said, it sucks because I know TIHI actually had more of a community than most “hashtaggy” subreddits. My understanding is it was a bit like a blend of ATBGE, MildlyInfuriating, CursedImages, or DIWhy.
Reddit is killing real communities, and killing their own history in the process. All those comments throughout the ages linking “/r/TIHI” now link to a dead sub. As much as I may have found those comments annoying, there were people out there who would click that link and go browse or maybe even subscribe to TIHI as a result of those comments.
It’s only a matter of time until more subs start meeting the same fate. I’m glad to have found a new platform to move to. After reading the posts from the Apollo dev, it seemed like the writing was on the wall about Reddit
The thing about TIHI, interestingasfuck, SLPT are that they regularly made r/all. Content hitting the front page means views for Reddit. So it's less about the sub's specific userbase, and more that those "main" subs have broad user appeal that brings people to Reddit in the first place.
And currently they're all shuttered. Which means less content on r/all, which decreases the general audience appeal of Reddit.
I guess we will start to see an uptick of "r/subsIfellfor" posts after more closures in light of how frequently the subreddit-as-hashtag but was being used.
I don't plan on going back since I just can't condone how Reddit management handled the whole issue, but there is one thing I wonder why it is not a possible solution for 3rd party apps:
Wouldn't it be possible to ask the userbase to just get the API key themselves?
If every user of a 3rd party app has their own API key, they won't have to pay anything won't they, since it will be hard to reach the free tier limit.
And even if a user does reach the limit he can get a couple thousands API calls for just a small number of cents.
Reddit will be still getting the same number of API calls, but it won't be the responsibility of the 3rdparty dev but on each user if the limit is reached
That would be against the terms of service for using the API and a surefire way to get your app removed from whatever storefront you have it listed on as soon as Reddit complains.
I am hoping that the new users are coming here with the intent to learn how this community works, before we try to remake the community we just left.
I counter this part of your post by throwing in there that for me and my time on reddit, the worst parts of the broader experience were the fact that communities of neo-nazis (r/conservative, r/conspiracy), Donald Trump cultists (r/the Donald), incels (numerous subreddits including r/incels and r/theredpill), and pedophiles (r/just18 among other porn based subreddits that were quarantined and banned several years ago) were allowed their own communities on the platform for as long as they were. This gave these horrible ideas time to draw attention and build a userbase that then degraded the quality of reddit across multiple other communities.
If kbin or lemmyworld immediately start banning or defederating these instances or communities/magazines, then to me that is how this larger community works and it is inherently not former redditors migrating here to shape the Fediverse in the image of reddit.
I eventually couldnt even browse r/all without seeing bigoted and generally fascist remarks getting thousands of upvotes with hardly any people that debated their takes not getting two to three digits of downvotes.
I don’t know. I’m here, I’m happy about that, and there are more people making this place better by the week. So as far as I’m concerned, it was a huge success. Reddit can be Reddit.
Even though you've done some nice work here, I'm reluctant to take those figures, particularly the change percentages, at face value.
There are colossal numbers of bots submitting posts and comments which metrics like this can't identify, which dilutes the real numbers. Of course bots would not be able to post to private subs, but it's less clear how much of the remaining traffic is human and how much is bots posting to empty subreddits as per the dead internet theory.
yeah you can't distinguish between bots and humans. But like said in the post, currently the top100 commenting subs only take part in ~10% of the total comments. This would fit with the dead internet theory imo.
But it is also important to note that for this info the comments/day numbers come from two different sources, so it is hard to verify the validity.
The comment numbers of the top100 subreddits are from subredditstats.com, while the total is from the script used by blackout.photon-reddit.com
For subredditstats.com there is no way to see how the data is obtained/tracked.
But the blackout.photon site has its source code available. I just have not enough programming experience to tell if the comments/min number is obtained by a direct api call, or if it calculates the comment ID Delta between each call that it does (it calls the most recent comment each minute).
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