I don't plan on going back since I just can't condone how Reddit management handled the whole issue, but there is one thing I wonder why it is not a possible solution for 3rd party apps:
Wouldn't it be possible to ask the userbase to just get the API key themselves?
If every user of a 3rd party app has their own API key, they won't have to pay anything won't they, since it will be hard to reach the free tier limit.
And even if a user does reach the limit he can get a couple thousands API calls for just a small number of cents.
Reddit will be still getting the same number of API calls, but it won't be the responsibility of the 3rdparty dev but on each user if the limit is reached
That would be against the terms of service for using the API and a surefire way to get your app removed from whatever storefront you have it listed on as soon as Reddit complains.
I think it's funny that in response to this people are STILL insisting that it's easy to find new mods. TIHI, interestingasfuck, and shittylifeprotips have been closed for over a week because they have no mods. Before TIHI mods got banned, they offered multiple users complaining the option to take over moderating the sub and they said no.
How does any of this point to it being easy to replace mods? Delusional
You would think that Reddit would have put some new mods in there right away (even if those "new mods" were just socks being staffed by Reddit employees) to put pressure on other subreddits.
That's hard to do when you're not profitable lol and with reddit users/creators leaving en masse, I don't see reddit ever being profitable since those are the same people that made the site what it was, not reddit employees.
Oh well too bad, but the fediverse is interesting and it has potential to be better than reddit could ever dream of being, without a single monolith able to destroy it. Decentralization is the future of the internet.
Great info. I think where you first define Lemmy you should also mention that its in the fediverse, like you did for kbin. This would make it more obvious that they're essentially just different front-ends to the same content.
I don't really understand reddit's angle here... Why would they provide zero cost API access to an app, as long as the developer of the app isn't making a profit? Are they trying to act like that was the issue they had with these third party apps? That they e profitable?
How does it make sense for them to allow an app for that reason?
That's what Narwhal dev had publicly offered previously, there's no firm confirmation that's actually the deal and I'd be a little surprised if it was.
I think Reddit chose to give them a sweetheart deal because they're the worst competitor app, the dev had been least publicly critical of the API changes, and Reddit wants the PR value of an example case "proving" their API changes weren't maliciously anticompetitive towards third-party apps.
The fact that Narwhal has struck a deal now allows Reddit Inc to say "see! we do work with third party apps; it's not that we're bad, it's that RIF and Apollo are big meanies who won't cooperate!"
It looks strongly like one of two things has happened - either Narwhal took the knee and has accepted absolutely abysmal terms in order to remain in existence, or Reddit has offered them a better deal in private to keep them afloat - solely to use them as a PR example case.
The only thing that seems unlikely is that they're working under strict terms of the published agreement, otherwise IMO costs to users are functionally unfeasible.
Which raises another question: are analysts and investors so stupid that they can't read between the lines? Because this looks like using a bucket to douse a five-alarm fire.
What was r/TIHI? I can't get to the reddit site anymore, but even if I could, it probably wouldn't be very enlightening if the sub is already deleted...
Idk if youve ever seen the bagel made of semi solid pasta and sauce that had a bite out of it? I think that was in TIHI once. Im gonna try and find it and link it.
Edit: this is the google image result. U can see is from that subreddit but also posted other places.
I didn't think Spez would literally drive his platform to ashes, I thought there was a middle ground, but nope he is going straight to the logical conclusion to all this.
Like most things that frustrate me, it seems logic has flown out the window in this situation. At least from Reddit's perspective. I cannot fathom how they could mess this up so badly. Could you imagine if they would have given 12 months notice and piped API access behind Reddit Premium of some sort? They would have raked in the money.
Yeah this is the dumbest move possible. I can only assume they're trying to scare other mods into alignment because they can't replace the moderators effectively. Well, I'll cheers to their stupidity!
And who are they going to have take over mod responsibilities (for free) in all of these communities at once? This is why mods need to call their bluff and force them to try to replace them.
Saw someone complaining about the protest in a thread where the top mod was offering up the sub to whoever wanted it. I suggested they (person complaining) go ahead and step up and ask to be a mod. They replied something like, “I don’t wanna be an E-jannie…[blah blah].”
These people assume that there’s plenty of other people who will step-up and take over. We’ll see I guess.
"We'll replace you with loyal moderators" has always been an empty threat. You don't just find people willing to take the responsibility of moderating a 100k+ user sub on the street.
I googled the name of the Narwhal dev, Rick Harrison and got a very nice chuckle out of it. I know it's not the same guy, but god damn it, it caught me off guard.
Don't forget that the API won't provide access to any NSFW sub. (There's a lot of reasons a sub might have NSFW posts besides just pr0n.) So Reddit literally expects people to pay for less content. It's absolutely bananas...
Lol it's funny people keep bringing up the NSFW as if everyone is going to be outraged. I mean I don't care if people like to watch gangbangs or whatever but I have absolutely no interest in porn. I'd rather look at some cuddling, hand holding, tender smooches and romance. But I do not like having to turn off NSFW and miss out on all the non sexual NSFW content on here.
You're right the porn is the least of it, how many askreddit threads are nsfw and many many more subreddits that have nsfw language. It'll be a very hollow experience using reddit on a third party app after the 1st.
I read something that explained that banning NSFW from the API would make it more difficult for mod tools meant to identify situations where someone who posted a lot of hardcore porn tried to post in a sub aimed at young or vulnerable users (I think r/teenagers was the example given). So it isn’t just about being able to access porn, but also about being able to identify potential problem users for certain subs.
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