I understand that it's frustrating, but I'd like to suggest that we be the bigger people about it.
For every user in the vocal minority saying those things, there are plenty of users who will see kbin and lemmy mentioned more and more, and get curious.
If we start getting a "leavers vs stayers" mentality over here, we might drive away those people who could grow our communities.
Be relentlessly positive about our new home, and we will thrive in the end.
Any form of "Karma" is going to be a net negative, reddit showed that just fine.
It was supposed to be a positive thing. Being as it's calculated through up/downvotes, and up/downvotes being meant as a representation of how relevant someone's post/comment is, the user's Karma would be an indication of how relevant their content and additions to the discussions are.
Of course, back in the real world, everyone just went and used karma to say if they liked/disliked a thing, so rather than Karma being a metric of relevance/helpfulness, it was more often than not a metric of how many useless fucking memes were posted.
People engage easier with rapid-consumption content like memes/images, or quick quips, etc. They don't have to take time to actually read reasoned discussion, and so someone focussing on the low-quality, low-effort crap will always end up winning when it comes to Karma, vs someone who takes out the time to actually add something of value.
Karma is the reason why huge swaths of reddit are full of low-effort garbage, and it needs to die as an idea.
It was a well intentioned idea that didn't work. Best not to repeat it again here imho.
I burned accounts frequently so karma didn't matter, except in terms of meeting posting thresholds. Upvotes/downvotes mattered to me because they were "feedback" for what I said. Other poster's karma mainly mattered to me when trying to sus out if someone was an alt/bot/troll account.
Good for the mod team. If Reddit is going to take away the only functional tools that make the volunteer work possible, Reddit can pay for moderators to come in and do it.
I’m not touting it, it’s a decent way to make sure that an account is reputable and behaving in a way conducive to the principles of the communities it’s participating in - “upvotes” means people like the things they are posting and saying which means they are good users. It’s just a little …familiar.
I understand what you're saying, but in a general sense, a person with good "Reputation Points" can be seen as contributing positively in the communities they are in. Even posting a controversial opinion and getting downvoted to hell (which I have done before on reddit) won't kill a person's Reputation Points / Karma. I'm still torn on whether it's a positive or not, but it can definitely used as an indicator of whether a person is being a positive member of the site.
However, @PositiveNoise brings up some of the negative points as well. Another being that it reinforces an echo chamber of ideas and stifles discussion, with unpopular but well-fashioned arguments being downvoted because they're disliked, not because they're harmful. And further, repost bots got tons of karma on reddit, upvoted by people who didn't see it the first time, which reduces the quality of the sub / community / magazine by burying OC that couldn't compete against an already proven successful picture / tweet / meme / etc.
It's a conversation. There are arguments for both sides imo.
I strongly encourage this discussion, because at the end it's up to the users - the community - to decide how to use those tools. I think that we have an opportunity here to embrace new custom, and leave what was on reddit on reddit.
but I would argue that the quality argument is flawed in my opinion. upvote and downvote are more used as agreement / disagreement markers.
so if you agree with content, I can understand that you just want to use the upvote (who really is a favorite here in the fediverse) to let the poster know that their content had a positive impact on yourself. I'm cool with that and it's also good to avoid "+1" or "^^^^this" comments. But maybe it shouldn't be displayed (every upvote downvote boosts are public in the fediverse, anyone can have access to this info it's how ActivityPub works for now, just go to more>activity). Favorites are not that public on other platform, I guess only people from the same server are seeing it, or people you follow, I'm not sure about that.
but the downvote mechanism, who could imply a disagreement, is problematic to me. Because we should feel free to specify why we are in a disagreement. They can be so much reason for that and only a conversation, an exchange of thought can help us understand each other.
a simple click on the downvote button is more like a "shut up" for me. Not a really great way to express ourself, to express disagreement. And it's also too healthy in my opinion.
So yes the strongest issue with this mechanism is how it contribute to encourage a single discourse, a single point of view and tend to discourage users with other point of view to engage. It's really problematic for me.
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