they did not respond to a request to use the app with screen curtain on.
That's pretty damning. If they can't even demo it while simulating a real world use-case, then that tells me how little faith they really have in their product.
Based on the prices the Apollo dev was slinging around, I highly doubt Relay will be around even after this guy "figures out" what to charge his users. Unless he's aiming for whales with deep pockets I give it maybe 3-6 months before he also folds. Reddit can also easily move the goal post on Relay, which is inevitable, because Reddit wants people to use thier app.
This is what I'm thinking too. Narwhal is sticking around but once Narwhal 2 comes out it'll be $5-7 per month and more for a user who makes a lot of API calls. If I'm remembering correctly Christian figured it would be close to $10 per month to support Apollo's heavy users without going in the red. That's crazy money to pay for access to Reddit.
Exactly. I want to be empathetic to the dev, after all /u/Spez put them in an awful position. But scabbing for Reddit isn't going to end well. Better to accept that the blow has been dealt, and to move onto the next platform and/or project.
I really hope @christianselig is paying attention to all this. It sounds like his iPad work would directly translate over here and a bit of work would create a fedi app.
For sure, if Apollo existed for fedi sites, it would be amazing. I didn't realise how much I hate using reddit website since using Apollo and without the app, the site is dead in the water for me.
Don't know if you use Lemmy, but wefwef for Lemmy is such a nice webapp and feels almost just like Apollo. Features are being added on the daily but it's become by far the best experience for me for browsing Lemmy instances right now.
I have no idea why they are publishing pieces like this, and it’s objectively false. Mastodon had over 60,000 sign-ups in the last week, and my feed is as busy as it ever was. It went from like 4 million when I signed up less than a year ago to over twelve million now.
This may be overly cynical, but the same company owns Reddit and Ars Technica.
Articles which would make one tend to expect failure of the Reddit migration are aligned with the interests of that company. This may not be related, but it hard not to notice.
I think it's because there was a hope for wholesale migration of most/all users from Twitter to the Fediverse. Or at the very least for enough migration to make Twitter a barren landscape that would precipitate its imminent demise. Neither of those happened. Of course, neither of those are realistic outcomes either.
If you want to tolerate Nazis, bigots, fascists, etc under the guise of "free speech" then this is not the instance for you. And I hope we maintain that moving forward. Y'all can have your own hellhole somewhere else
A clear-cut and uncontroversial rule that will see little to no opposition, yes.
And in many cases it's also clear-cut and uncontroversial whether someone is a fascist or a bigot.
But in other cases, you're going to run into trouble. A particular case in point; I don't like the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. I have, in the past, been immediately called a sexist when I've mentioned that fact. But I personally don't care one whit about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist, I just think they're bad movies. Maybe there are other people who actually do care and that's the reason they don't like those movies. Maybe there are people who don't believe me when I say I personally don't care about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist. So, is https://reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/ a bigoted community? If there was a Fediverse equivalent, should it be blocked? Different people will argue different ways.
I can think of lots of other scenarios, I won't make a big rambling list because I'm sure I'll step on a landmine eventually. I'm just arguing that seemingly simple straightforward "rules" that are easy to agree with can still end up mired in complexity when people try to implement them in the real world.
“No nazis or bigots” is a nice slogan, but if people turn off our brains and turn off our humanity and just start mindlessly chanting slogans that justify the punishing of our enemies, then there’s no difference between us and the typical German in 1938.
It doesn’t take a lot to end up in a bad place if we think we’re purely good and in the right and our enemy is purely evil.
Are you familiar with the Salem witch trials, the werewolf trials in France in the 1500s and 1600s and the Satanic Panic of the late 80s and early 90s? Those people thought they were morally justified in anything they did against the accused because they were fighting against literal Satan.
World War 2 ended 75 years ago. Virtually everyone who was a Nazi is dead of old age.
There are plenty of white supremacist fascists out there. People often call them nazis because we don't give a shit about splitting hairs regarding if they are a member of the actual Nazi party or if they're just closely related scum.
also funny that you only bring up horseshit things as your dodge with witches, werewolves and Satan, you know all not real, but Nazis and bigots are real so it seem a weird comparison
We're not talking about punishing anyone, we just don't want to hear or see their bigotry. They can have their space and we can choose not to interact with them.
There is a really, really big difference between "we want to kill you" and "we do not want to be killed by you".
Don't tolerate fascists. However comfortable that centrist illusion is, you are signing your own death warrant and that of millions of others (most of whom will suffer the consequences of your actions long before they get around to the people who feel safe enough to argue that fascists must be tolerated).
That's a bad faith argument they used against you for having a good opinion that they disagree with. In my personal head cannon I ignore the prequels and sequels because they cheapen the original plot. Rogue One I'll take though.
The concern you raised cannot be overstated. Accusing someone of bigotry or hate because their opinions of a subject are different has become a common invalidation and attack strategy. Another example is the Little Mermaid movie. By most accounts it's just not a very good movie. But you'll likely be called a racist by certain groups if you state that you don't like it. I haven't seen it. I don't have an opinion on it. But I witnessed the resulting arguments unfold across the internet. It is okay to dislike works created by or starring POC. It is not okay to dislike them because they were created by or star POC. Some people seem to find it impossible to differentiate between the two.
I don't feel like there is as much gray area here as you're making it out to be. There is a big difference between
"The new star wars movies are bad cause they are WOKE!1!1!1!1!1 Women are bad!"
vs
"The new star wars movies were an incohesive mess due to changes between writers and directors for all 3 films"
But also it's not like we will be defederating whenever people get in a slap fight, people are still going to have shitty opinions on any instance and get downvoted for that. This is for a pattern of behavior being tolerated and prolific.
The whole reason /r/saltierthancrait exists is because the folks at /r/starwars largely refused to make that distinction. It could be that "misogynist" was simply a convenient weapon to bludgeon the people who disagreed with their taste in movies and they didn't genuinely believe that everyone who disliked those movies were misogynist, but the weapon was deployed nonetheless and resulted in a schism.
Yeah I have no doubt someone called him a sexist for not liking the new SW, but from what I've seen across communities online 99% of people are easily able to distinguish between someone critiquing films over being a misogynist. And there was def rampant misogyny in some places when they got released.
Satire doesn't work as well on fedi when everybody has to check what instance they're on AND what instance you're posting from to figure out if you're serious
seems like everything that isn't "kbin.social" shows a url instead of the shortened mention.
if you mention a magazine that is on kbin.social, it doesn't even work/show, if you mention a fedia or kglitch magazine at "kbin.social" it shows a short mention on my side but a full url on your side.. it is broken :,D
left kbin, right fedia, another kbin based instance - so if i post a kbin magazine on kbin it doesnt gonna show, while fedia magazines etc do show, but as a full url vice versa :) really chaotic
"the mods decided to revert the NSFW designation because the community is a helpful resource for veterans experiencing mental health crises. The mod said that if Reddit removed the team, it could put the community at risk."
Bitch fudging please.
Please tell me again how these people are not power tripping their eyes out.
Imagine having no Reddit community to fall back on or having different mods into your community.. The horror!
Can these people;
Stop acting as if they really want change to happen.
Just start to bent over further for Reddit.
Get on with their life.
Admit that they really like their little power trip.
I left Reddit just ahead of the blackout, and I’ve only been returning for one small private sub that can’t effectively be moved. I figure, since it’s private, Reddit doesn’t get much credit for my activity there.
I’ve used Relay exclusively for many years, so I’ve been happy that it’s continued to work. It will be annoying if/when I have to use the browser to go to that sub.
Foe me the biggest are 6 and 4, reason being IAMA is going to go back to just being random AMAs, lots about average workers/people, without verification by the mods nor any big events that everyone knows about ahead of time, it will literally turn into the same as r/ama wich is kind of ironic since they had splitted such a long time ago.
I assume that once it's a subscription service most of that money will be going to Reddit, so you'd basically be paying for the privilege of not having to use their official app. That's just ghoulish.
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