Lemmy Developer AMA and Dev Update, 2024-01-26, 1500 CEDT

This is a chance for any users, admins, or developers to ask anything they’d like to myself, @nutomic , SleeplessOne , or @phiresky about Lemmy, its future, and wider issues about the social media landscape today.

NLNet Funding

First of all some good news: We are currently applying for new funding from NLnet and have reached the second round. If it gets approved then @phiresky and SleeplessOne will work on the paid milestones, while @dessalines and @nutomic will keep being funded by direct user donations. This will increase the number of paid Lemmy developers to four and allow for faster development.

You can see a preliminary draft for the milestones. This can give you a general idea what the development priorities will be over the next year or so. However the exact details will almost certainly change until the application process is finalized.

Development Update

@ismailkarsli added a community statistic for number of local subscribers.

@jmcharter added a view for denied Registration Applications.

@dullbananas made various improvements to database code, like batching insertions for better performance, SQL comments and support for backwards pagination.

@SleeplessOne1917 made a change that besides admins also allows community moderators to see who voted on posts. Additionally he made improvements to the 2FA modal and made it more obvious when a community is locked.

@nutomic completed the implementation of local only communities, which don’t federate and can only be seen by authenticated users. Additionally he finished the image proxy feature, which user IPs being exposed to external servers via embedded images. Admin purges of content are now federated. He also made a change which reduces the problem of instances being marked as dead.

@dessalines has been adding moderation abilities to Jerboa, including bans, locks, removes, featured posts, and vote viewing.

In other news there will soon be a security audit of the Lemmy federation code, thanks to Radically Open Security and NLnet.

Support development

@dessalines and @nutomic are working full-time on Lemmy to integrate community contributions, fix bugs, optimize performance and much more. This work is funded exclusively through donations.

If you like using Lemmy, and want to make sure that we will always be available to work full time building it, consider donating to support its development. Recurring donations are ideal because they allow for long-term planning. But also one-time donations of any amount help us.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.online avatar

Looking forward to it. Hopefully people will stay respectful.

syd, (edited )
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    dessalines,

    Sure

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    No problem, thats why its called AMA. Of course its possible that your questions wont get answered.

    pocketman_stuck,

    People, avoid to ask repeated questions and keeping it one question per comment is generally better.

    dessalines,

    Yes thank you. Sometimes it feels a bit overwhelming when there are 10+ questions in a single comment, and each of them requires a little essay.

    Die4Ever,

    also people should search the issues on github, a few of these questions already have issues filed with discussions in them, put a thumbs up on a github issue if it’s something you want

    GravitySpoiled, (edited )

    Is there a public roadmap of some sort?

    Maybe a blog post like “a year in review and what’s up for this year”

    I’m not talking about bugs or minor tweaks. Just a general where are we, where are we coming from and where are we going to? What are important milestones?

    Blaze, (edited )
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    The AMA is upcoming on Friday, it’s not this thread

    Edit: Leaving this here

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Something tells me you’re gonna be pasting this a lot 😄

    sunaurus,
    @sunaurus@lemm.ee avatar

    It’s OK to post questions here:

    Feel free to post and upvote questions beforehand in this post, as it will turn into the AMA tomorrow.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    I stand corrected!

    weeahnn,
    @weeahnn@lemmy.world avatar

    That would actually be nice.

    aeharding,
    @aeharding@lemmy.world avatar

    I think a lemmy roadmap for the next year is hard, because scope and even individual features depend on funding (for example, nlnet funds specific features).

    Maybe something like Mastodon’s roadmap would be possible though (with no specific timeline)? joinmastodon.org/roadmap

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f256050b-ec5e-4723-9ca6-2492315bd25a.png

    Steve, (edited )

    I wouldn’t put a timeline to it. Just a list of features, broad and specific. As time goes on, they can be marked as “in progress” or “included”. New things can be added over time, or made more specific. All without timetables. For now call it a wishlist.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Check the NLnet milestones in updated OP.

    dessalines,

    I’ve just updated the post body with some updates about this, but if we get approved for another year of funding from NLNet, the the two new devs will be working on these milestones in 2024 (still a draft at this point).

    Being an open source project, we can afford to be less strict about a roadmap, as anyone (including ourselves) can take on any of the open issues on the issue tracker. Part of the fun of these is getting to pick which things you’d like to work on, and that you personally think are important.

    Outside of maintenance-related tasks and merging PRs (which does take a significant chunk of our time) of course @nutomic and I both have things we’d like to prioritize this year. My main priorities are:

    • Getting Jerboa as fully functional as lemmy-ui.
    • Notifications (Unified push).
    • Working on lemmy-ui-leptos, our proposed replacement web UI for lemmy-ui written in Rust.
    • Performance improvements (DB, federation code)
    • Stabilizing the API
    • Becoming fully funded by donations, and growing our dev co-op.
    GravitySpoiled,

    Thx! Goodluck and enjoy the path

    pocketman_stuck,

    What happened to the fedlink? https://lemmy.eco.br/pictrs/image/346f11ac-4535-4ad4-b05d-86edf7ce35a4.webp

    No longer appears in the topic
    https://lemmy.eco.br/pictrs/image/7d0cba80-970a-4245-b9a6-d4800b8f5ce1.webp

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    I see it on 19.3, your server is still on 19.2, maybe that’s why? https://discuss.online/pictrs/image/1953c20b-bc95-4f42-bdc0-a5d08d97b140.png

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yep that was a regression which was recently fixed.

    mrmanager, (edited )
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    What are the plans around admin tools?

    Instance owners currently gets notified when someone has reported a user for spamming or trolling, but frequently it’s a user that is not on his instance, so he can’t do anything about it. Wouldn’t it be better if instance owners got notified only when they can take actual action (like the user being registered on their instance)?

    possiblylinux127,

    I have seen this first hand. I think when someone hits report it needs to go to the moderator of the community. From there the mod should be able to forward it to where it needs to go.

    Instance admins should be able to intersect this process.

    OnlyTakesLs,

    Problem is that reports don’t go the mods if they are on another instance.

    dessalines,

    There’s some more context for this in this issue, and we each have different views on it, because there are tradeoffs no matter what.

    My personal view (based on experience modding and admin’ing), is that we should prioritize handling a report ASAP, by the first eyeballs that see it, rather than whose jurisdiction it is. On all but the largest communities, admins are generally more active, and more likely to see the report and take action on it.

    possiblylinux127,

    Maybe make it go to everyone?

    dessalines,

    That’s what we currently do ( as in the report goes to both mods of that community, and instance admins).

    Blaze, (edited )
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    The AMA is upcoming on Friday, it’s not this thread

    Edit: Leaving this here cause why not

    mrmanager,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    But it says in the OP that this thread should be used for posting questions for the AMA?

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    I stand corrected!

    mrmanager,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    No worries :)

    dessalines, (edited )

    If you’ve been following our code commits / PRs, we’ve been adding a lot of mod tools improvements not just lately, but over lemmy’s entire life. I would even go so far as to say we have the strongest mod tools of any project in the fediverse, all the more necessary for us because of the community-focus.

    The upcoming roadmap for 2024 includes some mod additions, such as mod warnings, attaching report counts to items, viewing mod actions for items, etc.

    Instance owners currently gets notified when someone has reported a user for spamming or trolling, but frequently it’s a user that is not on his instance, so he can’t do anything about it. Wouldn’t it be better if instance owners got notified only when they can take actual action (like the user being registered on their instance)?

    Instance admins are responsible for what content their users see, so if a troll is visible to their users and ruining their day, then it should be taken care of everywhere necessary.

    sunaurus,
    @sunaurus@lemm.ee avatar

    Do you think Lemmy is decentralized enough right now, or are you worried about some of the bigger instances growing too much?

    possiblylinux127,

    As someone who is on a medium sized instance, I can say its a little awkward when Lemmy[.]world goes down

    interdimensionalmeme,

    The big instances are bad enough but big communities are absolute killer of decentralisation

    When you go to /c/books on your server, you don’t see an agglomeration of all /c/books on all servers of the fediverse. You only see that server’s /c/books, if it even has one.

    This is a fatal flaw of lemmy which concentrates power enormously into the hands of the owners.

    The default view should be all /c/books on all federated servers, with an easy way to filter only local posts.

    Lemmy will turn into reddit if this is not quickly rectified.

    spaduf,

    I really don’t hate this idea from a lemmy centric UX perspective but how do you handle federation with other platforms?

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    No, that defeats the entire point.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    What point ?

    The point of becoming a moderator that decide what everyone can and can’t say ?

    The point of “making another reddit but I’m /u/spez” ?

    willya, (edited )
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    The point of me having my own control over my instance. The bad moderator thing will always be a problem.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    I don’t see how agglomerating vuew of all same name communities for the user impact you as a server owner ?

    You still have totalitarian control over everything happening on your server.

    You can still

    Delete all post and comments

    Change any text in any post or comment even if made by other users and without their notice

    Ban any user

    Ban any community

    Even ban all users and all communities (whilte only model)

    willya, (edited )
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    I must’ve read your comment wrong. Sounds like you just want a multi Reddit type feature? I agree that that should be implemented some apps have already did it. I don’t agree that the same word community should be lumped together universally and automatically.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    No multireddit cannot solve this problem.

    They are not a default agglomeration view so they will never make a difference as most users never change their defaults.

    Covered in more details here

    lemmy.ml/comment/7734804

    A community cannot escape the stranglehold of moderators with a multireddit, because most users will simply not have it the backup community setup in their multireddit. They will never see dissenters posting in the backuos. And that makes multireddit largely useless

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Who are the moderators in this scenario you’re talking about?

    interdimensionalmeme,

    It’s an hypothetical community, so they’re hypothetical moderators/owners. I’m not sure how to respond to “who are they”.

    They’re some bad hombrés…

    willya, (edited )
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Your argument through all of this is bad moderators controlling the largest communities so I’m wondering how what you’re saying fixes any of that.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    Makes communities other than the one big one visible to nonlogged and default users without extra steps.

    In effect this makes all communities global by default.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    When you go to /c/books on your server, you don’t see an agglomeration of all /c/books on all servers of the fediverse. You only see that server’s /c/books, if it even has one.

    What prevents from visiting /c/books@anotherserver?

    Genuinely asking, because this is one of the core concepts of Lemmy and federation

    interdimensionalmeme,

    I already posted to anotherserver/c/books and no one ever saw it.

    Posting anywhere but biggestinstance/c/biggestcommunity is functionally the same as not posting at all.

    And of course, the owners of biggestinstance/c/biggestcommunity believe in everything you don’t believe in and they really don’t like you in particular.

    Welcome to new reddit, same as old reddit

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    I already posted to anotherserver/c/books and no one ever saw it.

    Did you promote that community on !newcommunities and other promotion communities? Did you actively post on your new community, to attract users to your new one?

    I’m going to take two examples I personally had

    • I’m not a fan of having all discussions on LW, so even if !movies was the most active one, we decided with a few others to start animating !moviesandtv. It is now the most active community on that topic.
    • I like the show “the Office”. !dundermifflin is the historical community, but as some people are not fans of lemmy.ml, we moved to !dundermifflin, which is now the most active community on this topic.

    I guess that shows that community takeover is possible, and does not need additional tools, just some time and dedication.

    Inui, (edited )

    I’ll say this is really clunky to do and often means being redirected to that instances site where you are no longer logged in. Mobile apps mostly solve this themselves, but its sometimes a pain on desktop. I’d like the ability to somehow group similar communities, but I’m fine if its like Multireddits or playlists on the user end.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    Yes, syntax link like /c/community@server is incompatible with http.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    Doesn’t !books and !books direct you to yourinstance.org/c/books@lemmy.ml and yourinstance.org/c/books@lemmy.world respectively?

    Jumuta,

    maybe communities should be able to flag that they’re the same community as one on another server, and if they mutually do so be combined into one metacommunity that people can search for

    interdimensionalmeme,

    If it requires the owner’s consent, it defeats the purposeof my proposal.

    It is expressly to disempower the owners in favour of the users.

    sunaurus,
    @sunaurus@lemm.ee avatar

    I kind of get where you’re coming from, but to me it sounds like you’re looking for a different experience than what Lemmy is designed for. It seems you are more interested in aggergating all posts about specific topics (like “books”), and strongly limiting the effect of moderation (as nobody would have final say about how to moderate an entire topic). If I correctly understood the experience you’re interested in, then for sure the design of Lemmy will not match that.

    I don’t think it’s fair to describe this as a fatal flaw, though. Lemmy is not built around the idea of generic, “ownerless” topics, instead, it’s built around communities with clear owners. We have decentralization at the admin and infrastructure level (as in, a single admin does not control the entire network), but this does not really mean we also need to have it at individual community level.

    IMO it’s totally fine that different people create different communities with extremely similar purposes. The entire internet as a whole also works like this - the internet itself is decentralized, but at the same time people can create different websites with very similar purposes (and even domains!), and it works out fine. For example, it’s totally possible for there to exist a news.com, news.co.uk, news.ee, news.fi, etc. Imagine if whenever you navigated to news.fi with your browser, it would also automatically insert content from all the other news websites of all possible domains - it doesn’t really seem like a useful feature, but that’s kind of analogous to what you’re suggesting for Lemmy at the moment.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    Thst makes lemmy , a reddit with many /u/spez , but in practice it will end up like the actual internet of today, where only 5-10 sites control everything.

    This process is already far along on lemmy, already very centralized and all the incentives are in place to make it even more centralized.

    I expect the settlement of the defederation war, will create 2-3 cliques of the largest servers that each silence the rest of the lemmyverse on their property.

    Give it a little time and they’ll probably make themselves fully private cliques.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    I think its totally normal that instance sizes follow a power law distribution. Its similar to many other things, for example there are few large cities, some medium cities and lots of small cities. The wiki article lists many other examples. So I think its fine as long as there are no intentional attempts to lock in users into large instances or limit federation.

    dessalines, (edited )

    Its definitely a concern. IMO the lemmyverse is far too centralized at the moment. The big questions are:

    1. Is there a trend toward centralization, or away from it?
    2. How are people being introduced / onboarded onto lemmy?
    3. What can we do to combat centralization?

    (1) I’m honestly unsure, and I’d def appreciate if anyone has done a study of it. We’ve seen a big growth in single person / smaller topic-focused instances, which is a great thing, but if their communities aren’t growing, we need to figure out how to reverse that trend. I’d have no problem with the current large instances, including this one, as long as the long-term-trend is away from them.

    (2) Is mostly word-of-mouth, join-lemmy.org, and apps / web-ui’s which show an instance by default.

    We’ve made the sort for the join-lemmy.org instances page be by random active users, and tried to emphasize on that page that it doesn’t matter which instance you join, since most federate, and can subscribe / connect to any community. I hope that helps, and we need to replicate that wherever we can.

    Apps and webUI’s mostly just show lemmy.world rn, where they should show random instances. I’m guilty of this in Jerboa as well (showing lemmy.ml by default), and I’ve just opened up an issue that it should be showing a random server for anonymous users.

    But I think we need to do more, and I’d def appreciate yours and anyone else’s ideas on how we can combat centralization. We need to get ahead of this problem before it gets worse.

    OnlyTakesLs,

    Maybe hide the big instances behind a few clicks? Like you could sort/filter for them, but you’d have to navigate a bit? The average user isn’t going to bother. Like have a default sort that hides the big ones, and a default filter that filters out the top five or whatever.

    nutomic,
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    People join lemmy.world because it gets linked directly on Reddit and other places, they dont even go through join-lemmy.

    ademir, (edited )
    @ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    But I think we need to do more, and I’d def appreciate yours and anyone else’s ideas on how we can combat centralization.

    I am admin of the biggest Brazilian instance, but I am welcoming more local instances and talking to the admins we should spread the load. But what I notice is the users are concerned they will miss out if they are not in an instance that already have everything.

    Could we have an easier way to auto-federate every new communities from a given instance? Even an “auto-federate everything possible” option. as @nutomic said lemmy DB isn’t too big, most instance owners could have it on their servers. And making it opt-in won’t hurt the small instances.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    It would be relatively easy to write a script/bot which fetches the list of communities from a given instance, and then subscribes to all of them from another instance. In fact I heard something like this already exists, but dont know the name.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    Lemmy Community Feeder? github.com/Fmstrat/lcs

    syd,
    @syd@lemy.lol avatar

    boost.lemy.lol?

    CrypticCoffee, (edited )

    I think it’s worth bringing a solution in house. A recommended migration route. If you want people to feel confident to pick any instance, you have to give them the confidence to move easily and not fear picking a small instance that might die when their owner gets bored. A simple setting option to migrate from, then you select the account and either (through communities accessible, or through automated request, pull that data and subscribe to communities. Maybe blocks etc also.

    MBM,

    I know lemmings.world has a bot that subscribes to the most popular communities to make sure those are federated

    dessalines,

    Maybe not auto-federate / auto-subscribe, but we do have an issue to federate a lightweight list of communities among servers, that could help with this.

    Its true that the disk space required isn’t too big a deal, but it would unecessarily increase the CPU and network requests by auto-federating the entire lemmyverse, rather than using explicit subscribes.

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Super excited! Will you be answering all questions, including hard ones?

    glibg10b,

    Not necessarily

    ademir, (edited )
    @ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    What could be done to improve interoperability between federated platforms?
    mainly talking about Mastodon since it is the biggest one.

    I have seen the Peertube dev is quite nice and approachable. And willing to improve the experience cross-platform.

    Have you tried to approach @Gargron? Is he willing to contribute? How could we get Mastodon to improve the user experience with federated content, eg. communities and article posts?

    What about @dansup / @dansup and Pixelfed?

    GravitySpoiled,

    Very interesting question since mastodon introduced groups very recently which are a direct competitor to lemmy

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    TIL, I’ll have to have a look

    GravitySpoiled, (edited )

    fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/

    Of course not mature but mastodon can have groups without lemmy

    Blaze, (edited )
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    Mastodon’s main dev isn’t really open. Have a look at the “Ego” part of this article: …medium.com/i-left-mastodon-yesterday-4c5796b0f54…

    Misskey forks, whatever their names are today, seem more interesting

    spaduf, (edited )

    While I agree with the content of that article I don’t know if we should give up on Eugen just yet. The Mastodon team has not disclosed what their plan is regarding the groups rework currently on the mastodon roadmap. There is an old proposal here, but I think we have good reason to believe that implementation will be revisited. To that end, it is very important to advocate for the adoption of FEP-1b12 which is the standard that Lemmy uses.

    It may also be a good idea to advocate for the adoption of FEP-d36d both here and on lemmy. This is a standard for group-to-group following. Effectively allowing communities to subscribe to other communities.

    Here’s a slightly older but fairly comprehensive write-up of the situation: blog.erlend.sh/group-convergence

    simple, (edited )

    Mastodon’s main dev isn’t really open. Have a look at the “Ego” part of this article

    That article was over 5 years ago now. I would expect that there has been massive change now that Mastodon is way more popular, and the project is way more involved. Also, blocks and mutes do work now.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    Quote posts are still not there, they are on Misskey forks

    fedi.tips/why-cant-i-quote-other-posts-in-mastodo…

    They are on the roadmap, but that doesn’t say much.

    Omega_Haxors,

    Ah 5 years ago? That explains it. Early mastodon was rough but they seem to have gotten their shit together pretty recently.

    phiresky, (edited )

    Interoperability is great, but sadly there isn’t really any organized group effort to standardize more aspects / extensions of ActivityPub. AP is really “thin” in that it barely prescribes anything. There’s not even a test suite to test whether software complies to the spec of AP.

    So everyone kind of does their own thing, and fixes interoperability on a case-by-case basis. This makes it kinda frustrating to spend time on - lemmy already has special cases for many different softwares (peertube, mastodon, …) and every one increases the complexity.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    There are such efforts on SocialHub and on a W3C mailing list. However devs of major Fediverse projects are rarely active there, because they are all busy working on their own software.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    There have been lots of compatibility improvements with Mastodon from our side. However Mastodon seems to have almost no interest to make improvements from their side. I dont think there is much we can do about that, in the end project maintainers always care about their own users most.

    With dansup there was some communication years ago, but it seems he lost interest in Lemmy.

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Regarding funding - Can you give a detailed breakdown of what you’ve gotten per year and from which sources since you started Lemmy?

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    From NLnet we had three funding rounds with 50.000 Euros each.

    TimLovesTech, (edited )
    @TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

    I think most of that can be taken from here: join-lemmy.org/donate. If you click through each donation method they each list goals/monthly intake.

    EDIT - Minus crypto of course!

    OsrsNeedsF2P, (edited )

    It also doesn’t have historical data on i.e. how much NLNet contributed (which iirc, was a lot*)

    *(a lot in terms of donations - Lemmy devs are living below poverty line. Please donate)

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Regarding server architecture - How many users can the Lemmy network, or the fediverse as a total scale to, assuming the average person posts once per day and reads ~50 comments/posts a day?

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Lemmy supports horizontal scaling, so in theory it is only limited by the amount of servers you can afford. Of course there are always unpredictable bottlenecks which need to be fixed, but no inherent limitation.

    phiresky,

    The ActivityPub protocol lemmy uses is (in my opinion) really bad wrt scalability. For example, if you press one upvote, your instance has to make 3000 HTTP requests (one to every instance that cares).

    But on the other hand, I recently rewrote the federation queue. Looking at reddit, it has around 100 actions per second. The new queue should be able to handle that amount of requests, and PostgreSQL can handle it (the incoming side) as well.

    The problem right now is more that people running instances don’t have infinite money, so even if you could in theory host hundreds of millions of users most instances are limited by having a budget of 10-100$ per month.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    In the future it could make sense to make a protocol extension to send multiple activities in a single HTTP connection. But for now its probably not worth the effort, considering that it would break compatibility with other Fediverse platforms.

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Has Lemmy.ml been contacted by law enforcement yet to hand over user data? If yes, when was it, and what did you hand over?

    Steve,

    I’m pretty sure all user data is public already.
    PMs might be the only thing not everyone can see.

    Deebster, (edited )
    @Deebster@programming.dev avatar

    IPs and access logs, plus email addresses aren’t public and are the kind of thing law enforcement wants.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Nope, never.

    jackpot,
    @jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

    whats that thing where a company has a ‘we have never been contacted by law enforement or have been forced to disclose data’ sign on their website that theyll take down to implicitly inform users theyve received a request and a silencing order

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Warrant canary. I doubt those really work because law enforcement could easily require you to keep updating it.

    jackpot,
    @jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

    could you try regardless?

    OsrsNeedsF2P, (edited )

    Any words for Zuck and Threads?

    Edit: on a more serious note, has Meta reached out to the Lemmy developers at all?

    possiblylinux127,

    I think Lemmy is a tiny blip size wise.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    No, I guess they only care about Mastodon. I will just wait and see how that goes.

    phiresky,

    So far it doesn’t seem like any company actually wants to compete in this space (longer-form somewhat text-focused communities). Even reddit is trying to become more twitter and less reddit.

    dessalines,

    We also blocked threats here already, and encourage other servers to do the same. FB is a rabid wolf that would love to be let inside the fediverse.

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    A long time ago, @Dessalines made Jerboa as an Android Native client for Lemmy as an alternative to Boost for Reddit. How happy are you that the OG Boost developer came and made a Lemmy client?

    WanderingVentra,

    He did? That’s awesome. I’ve been using Jerboa and Sync mostly. How does the Boost app compare to those? Sorry if too unrelated lol.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.online avatar

    Feel free to have a look at all the others: lemmyapps.netlify.app

    dessalines,

    Its a great thing, and its exciting to have @rmayayo creating an app for Lemmy.

    silas,
    @silas@programming.dev avatar

    As developers, what can we do (or not do) to best support Lemmy’s vision and goals right now?

    dessalines,

    First, thx for working on LemmyNade! The ecosystem of apps growing up around lemmy, learning from and benefitting each other, is really great to see.

    The main thing would be to get involved with lemmy’s back-end code. Even if you’re not a back-end developer, its still useful to us to learn from devs about wanted features, API improvements, and bugs. Many app devs have suggested features that I’ve tried to implement based on their usefulness, because it used to be just myself who was the one requesting and adding things on both sides.

    nutomic,
    @nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

    Go through the issue tracker for lemmy or lemmy-ui and look for some simple bug or minor feature that you care about. Then look for the relevant part of the code and try to fix it. You can also make a comment or post in the dev chat on matrix if you need help. Honestly there are so many issues which could be solved in less than an hour, especially in lemmy-ui. That way you can make Lemmy better and also get familiar with the code to make larger changes in the future.

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