What does an ideal world look like to you?

Instead of focusing too much on all of the things that are currently wrong, could you please help paint a picture of what a future utopian society could look like?

My vision is heavily inspired by Terence McKenna. I imagine a world as it might have existed during prehistoric times. Lush forests teeming with exotic wildlife, clean air, and crystal clear water. No highways full of billboards, no parking lots, no shopping malls, and no cars. Just safe grounds and paths for humans embedded deep within all of this nature.

At a birds-eye view, it may look as if humanity has completely abandoned technology and regressed back into its childhood. Yet if you were to look out through the eyes of one of these utopian people, you would see the most wonderful augmented reality display.

Information, communication, entertainment, education, global economies… almost everything has been de-materialized. Humanity’s ceaseless pursuit of technology has been mostly divorced from our physical environment and mother earth is bustling with life again.

The only technologies that remain in the real world are those that help all of us live happy and healthy lives (modern medicine, delicious food, solar power, etc) all the while the shared virtual reality in our eyes is limited only by our collective imaginations.

We are finally living in accord with nature without having to forsake our innate desire for knowledge and progress.

Nougat,

Everyone has easy access to everything they need.

Tigbitties,
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Star Trek

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

But which one? (Like I need to ask) Next Generation.

BTW came to say ST

ChemicalRascal,
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Realistically? Something a lot like what we currently have, but with everyone having access to prompt healthcare, living in comfort. A focus on community and cooperation being more dominant in the culture, rather than competition and comparison.

vd1n,

No humans. Not even their skeletons… Even the history of humanity complete wiped out like they never existed.

milkjug,
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Sign me the fuck up! Collectively, we really are a blight on Earth.

CanadaPlus,

Eh. Somebody else is going to evolve intelligence then. And honestly being a wild animal sucks pretty hard too.

Clipper152,

A world where all humans are autistic.

It wouldn’t solve everything, but at least there wouldn’t be room for chronic reification, useless charismatic narcissists, Cartesian dualism, etc to become big issues like they are in our world.

x4740N,
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Speaking as someone with autism you are wrong and misinformed

Autism doesn’t give everyone the same static personality

We are just like you, we just process information differently to you and there’s nothing wrong with that

Clipper152,

I’m autistic too.

My point isn’t that autistic people have a single, utopian personality, but that we’re generally less susceptible to certain social/psychological phenomena that tend to make societies shittier.

Froyn,

Wall-E. I get to be the robot

DrQuint,

Robots.

I don’t think humans have the capacity for utopia. We can cooperate, but even if we achieve a near-optimal performant system of any kind, we never achieve stasis. We have before changed things for what can only be collectively said to be for the hell of it (when in reality it was because someone individually benefitted) and any utopia we’d achieve wouldn’t last long and then we would erroneously attribute mistake of that Utopia’s fall to its general feasibility. Plus I fail to consider a society that can’t last as one that is utopic.

So… We won’t.

But robots will. Once we’re gone and they’re still around.

And I don’t think that is a good thing for the robots either.

Locuralacura,

Meditation, study, gardening, self improvement are paid jobs. We’ve given freedom to those who are able to use it in a responsible manner. Hard labor is a 4 to 5 hour gig that we take turns doing, not because we are forced to, but because we understand the necessity and value of the work. Work is not seen as something we must do to have a house and food, but it is seen as participating in our society.

Compassion, tolerance, and freedom are primal virtues.

Personally I love work, I love the feeling of charity, I love learning how to better myself.

x4740N,
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I still disagree with the capitalism though

Locuralacura,

Sure. It’s just, communism is not an answer. It’s human nature that fucks up these systems. We need to address human nature

VelvetStorm,

Seems like you want a solar punk society. That’s pretty much what I would want too.

milkjug,
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I lack the imagination for grandiose dreams. Instead all I ask is for everyone to be excellent to each other. I think the very nature of competitive survival goes fundamentally against that, so it’s never going to happen.

Nonameuser678,
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One where the rich pay more tax then they currently do now. Also slap a carbon tax on these fuckers and use the cash to fund climate mitigation / adaptation.

Kolanaki,
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It looks like the bridge of the Enterprise from Star Trek: The Next Generation. I want Earth to be like that. Instead, though, we seem to be stuck in William Gibson’s Neuromancer universe.

UrPartnerInCrime,
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UBI that is linked to the average income. So the more people work, the more everyone gets every month and vice versa. Make it so jobs are not necessary but available to better help humanity or whatever since machines will be able to provide most if not all the labor.

CanadaPlus, (edited )

Well, we could all move into a matrix-like universe where we’re gods, I guess. Then all we’d need for civilisation is server farms and the infrastructure to maintain them.

More near-term, if I was dictator for a day I’d impose a wealth cap between at maybe 10 or 15 million CAD and a guaranteed income you can live a very basic but comfortable life on. I feel like that would solve most problems. This could be applied globally too (with some ramp-up time) if we’re assuming world government. Climate change could be addressed with a carbon tax high enough to fund the offsetting of the pollution’s social cost.

I’m a wonk and I could go on, but those are the biggest things.

x4740N,
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Dictatorship is never a good thing even if the dictator is benevolent because it removes the choice of the people of who they want to be represented by

CanadaPlus, (edited )

I needed a magical way to answer the question, though!

I’d actually go further - dictatorships don’t really exist, just steeply tapering autocracies. The dictator is at the top, but just like everyone else they spend their days avoiding being knocked down the pyramid, and they can’t know and often don’t care what people are doing a couple steps down. Meanwhile, the people who aren’t right on top get absolutely fucked by whoever is a couple steps up from them, with the step in between acting as intermediaries.

dylanmorgan,

All people guaranteed a baseline lifestyle. Housing, food, clean water, healthcare, electricity, internet. Everyone contributes to maintaining infrastructure in some way, would probably require 10-20 hours a week. Beyond that, people free to do what they want. Garden, make art, invent new things, whatever.

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