Sewers. Ever visited an outhouse in a place where it’s 0 degrees out? yOw!
Or carried two pails of water 2 blocks, twice, to start heating it while you did it 3 more times for the rest of your bath? Lots of people still do that.
If all we paid for were sewers, our taxes would be almost nothing per person. Plus I pay for sewers outside of taxes anyway. It’s built into the water bill.
From what I’ve seen in your replies, you seem to agree:
Bad actors can easily ruin a community
It’s very easy for bad actors to game popularity-based systems like downvoting posts to remove them or upvoting posts to protect them
Bad actors can brigade communities to make it seem like active members support values different than what the majority actually held before the brigade
You’re dancing around the solution but refuse to admit it: you need a group of trusted users who have a longitudinal relationship with the community. This group of users can follow the community’s leanings over a long period of time, keep the discussion true to the community’s original vision, and easily identify bad actors. You need moderators.
It seems you’d be in favor of more laissez-faire moderation, but there’s still no better solution than moderation. Even if AI got good enough to do the job as well as a human, you’d still need a leader (the community creator or mods) to program the parameters of that AI. The truth is that your anarchist belief system simply doesn’t work as well in practice as it does in theory, and the only viable solution involves having someone in charge.
We have to assume that the majority of users will not be disruptive unless driven by the environment. Otherwise we might as well stop right there.
Assuming that it follows that such moderation without any individual in power might still be implemented by reflecting the community will through some mechanism. So voting doesn’t work as long as everybody can create a million bot accounts. Maybe there is a way to prevent that. Same with other approaches. I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody can come up with a technical solution for this.
But the same assumption also means that one can rely on the majority of the users to be pro-social. Thus one can lean on this majority of angels to do the moderating.
I like https://youtu.be/O9SR_f9oXKs?si=aVWChAvy11hF4EtM! He’s a Dutch fella that does videos of him playing Doom levels with live commentary, all done in single takes with no saves. He also does Doom analysis videos, which are fantastic deep dives into the code and mechanics of the old Doom games, but I love his play throughs as sleep aid since he keeps the game volume low and has this low, soothingly calm voice and laid back quality.
I made it through 100% of all the bad days, weeks and months in my life so far. I will also make it through the ones that have yet to come.
…and on my more cynical days, this follow-up:
And if, one day, I won’t survive a bad day, then it is not my f[%$]ng problem anymore.
I tried to have a more positive mantra, but eventually realized that sheer spite can be a powerful motivator in bad times, even more so than trying to stay “nice” to the rest of the world.
Anger is a really powerful motivator. I spent years of my life trying to shut down my anger from childhood. I had such a violent temper up to my mid-20s. Now I’m 40 and in a complete “dead-zone”. No motivation, no drive.
I’ve found I get most motivated when one of two things happen - I forget to take my anti-depressant for the day or I try to quit vaping. Both these things cause me to get irritable and both cause me to shift and do something.
P.S. Meth also motivates me but that’s not a long-term strategy worth pursuing as I’m trying to remain sober.
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