Iâm not Israeli - but I grew up in a disturbingly similar political environment, Apartheid-era South Africa. In theory, conscription applied to all white males of âmilitary ageâ (ie, a kid thatâs physically capable but still too dumb to resist the brainwashing). However, in reality, the children of the rich and powerful could buy their way out of it through various means (such as Phony Stark famously skipping South Africa right before his 18th birthday despite the fact that he wasnât as allergic to white supremacism as he claimed to be), while working class whites couldnât. Iâm willing to bet that it pretty much works the same way in Israel.
There are lots of reasons why the children of the rich and powerful could end up on the front lines in wars that are still mostly foisted onto the children of the poor - an abusive father might gaslight their children into it, or it may simply be a case that not participating in all the jingoism might have an effect on careers later on (which might be the case in Israel, considering that militarism is so entwined in politics over there that it would have seemed insane even in Apartheid-era South Africa). It could just be that Snotâs head has been filled with militarism and wouldnât dream of not participating. But the rich do get a choice in whether their children will be âboots on the groundâ or not.
And no⊠the Israeli political establishment is no more making âethically and morally correct decisionsâ than Apartheid-era South Africaâs was - it is, after all, a white supremacist settler-colonialist state. The only way to make âethically and morally correct decisionsâ is to not serve the Israeli war machine in any way whatsoever.
The rich and powerful can buy their way out of stuff anywhereâŠ
I donât understand why you wrote so much about Israel when you clearly donât know what youâre talking about. Calling middle eastern jews white supremacists is fucking insane, for example. I bet you wouldnât even be able to distinguish between an average Israeli Jew and Arab.
Calling middle eastern jews white supremacists is fucking insane
Are you talking about the European Jewish people who dominate Israelâs political and economic establishments? Have you noticed that Netanyahu doesnât look Ethiopian, perhaps?
No, Clyde⊠itâs perfectly obvious who it is that doesnât know what it is they are talking about, and itâs the people doing apologetics for white supremacism. Ie, you.
I don't support the state of Israel, but I hate this bullshit argument so much - where do you think the European Jews came from to Europe, and why?
They came from Israel (the region, not the state, which didn't exist then) which they were expelled from, over generations, again and again, buy actual colonisers. And only wanted too return after centuries of pogroms that culminated in the holocaust, which was perpetrated by actual white supremacists.
Are racism, xenophobia, islamophobia and colourism all happening, and are influenced by white supremacy? Yes. Can Jews ever really be considered white supremacists? Not by any actual white supremacist, so no..
Is the state of Israel and the illegal settlements it supports now occupying some lands that aren't theres and oppressing the Palestinians whos lands those are? Yes.
Should they give those lands back and let their rightful residents live on them in peace (and be willing to share the places that are culturally and historically to both)? Yes.
Is Israel an apartheid state that discriminates against its Arab citizens? Yes.
Do Palestinians deserve freedom? Yes.
Does any of this erase thousands of years of history and mean that Jews, from wherever the fuck they were expelled to in the diaspora don't also have a rightful place on the land or are in any way comparable to actual colonisers who went to foreign lands they nor their ancestors had never set foot on and take them over? Absolutely fucking not.
I donÂŽt often see reasonable and differentiated takes like yours. Must be tiring to argue right wing Israelis and Israel haters at the same time. Remember to take a break sometimes to not get burnout my dude :)
Yeah sure, you, a South African, know more than me, an Israeli, about IsraelâŠ
Itâs no surprise that European Jews dominate many parts of Israeli society when you consider the fact that most Jews who came to Israel before 1948 were European (the Jewish population rapidky expanded post-1948 as Jews were driven out of Arab countries), and rich European Jews with Zionist aspirations also invested a lot of money in Israel during this period.
I know you better than you think, Clyde⊠we were pretty much raised drenched in the same kind of propaganda. After all⊠Apartheid-South Africa and Israel were besties, werenât they? And despite the fact that the National Party took their white supremacism (and their antisemitism) straight from the nazis, too - imagine that?
Itâs no surprise
Of course it isnât! For sure! You have that in common with every other white supremacist colonialist project out of sheer coincidence⊠totally not because the people sitting at the top of Israelâs political and economic establishments learned their white supremacism from the best in the business - ie, the west.
You know⊠the west? The people who invented antisemitism right before they invented white supremacism?
we were pretty much raised drenched in the same kind of propaganda
"pretty much" being the key words, since the white people who colonised SA had never set foot there before nor had any history or claim to the land, while that absolutely isn't the case for Jewish people returning to their homeland.
since the white people who colonised SA had never set foot
Neither has the Europeans who colonised Palestine and created Israel, Clyde.
while that absolutely isnât the case for Jewish people returning to their homeland.
European Jewish peopleâs âhomelandâ is Europe, genius. You know⊠the place where they were born and lived for more than a millenium before western antisemitism drove them out?
There is no valid Zionist âclaimâ to any part of the middle-east - never was, never has been. You might just as well âclaimâ Jerusalem as âwesternâ because the Crusaders massacred itâs population once.
Do tell⊠why canât they be safe in the place European Jewish people came from? You know⊠Europe?
Did all the Jews who fled to Israel from Arab countries European colonizers? Are the Jews who stayed in the land of Israel all through the ages European colonizers?
Do tell⊠how well is non-European Jewish folk represented at the top of Israelâs economic and political establishments, eh? Maybe put on your sunglasses before checking⊠itâs white enough up there to burn your retinas clean off.
No, no, no, Clyde - you answer it. Tell me that the whole reason European Jewish people cannot be safe in the very place they came from is thanks to the very same states that is now flooding Israel with military funding and logistical support - states that, not coincidentally, all seem to have deep histories of antisemitism, white supremacism and colonialism.
And after that you can explain to me why Palestinians must bear the horrific cost of western antisemitism when Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the invention of antisemitism.
Yet, when they (black Jews) arrived in Israel, these distinctive people faced appalling discrimination, racism and a lack of empathy for their hardships in Ethiopia and during their journey to Israel.
So did my parents (and many others) which emigrated from a soviet state after the fall of the soviet union. And theyâre very white.
Israelis are just xenophobic, this isnât white supremacy. There is a famous old Israeli skit about how every single group which arrived faced these issues. You guys are unknowingly spewing the same bullshit extreme right wing politicians are saying in Israel about Mizrahi Jews.
As a South African i couldnât have said it better myself. Israelis and israeli apologists i notice get very offended when you compare israel to Apartheid South Africa, i mean the parallels are so clear to see.
No, I take offense to comparing Israel to Apartheid South Africa because itâs dumb. Not even saying itâs wrong, itâs just a dumb comparison.
Read again what the person you replied to said - itâs basically âI donât have any information about Israel thatâs relevant to the question, but Iâll just go ahead and assume Israel and Apartheid South Africa are the same thing and reply based on that. This will show Israel and Apartheid South Africa have a lot in commonâ.
That would be highly unlikely. Most infotainment systems either run Android Auto or CarPlay if theyâre very new âfancyâ (for lack of a technical term) models, or custom embedded firmware for everything else.
youâre right, maybe itâs a proprietary operating system⊠Maybe in the car manual the license for the Linux kernel can be found?? Oh that would be my dream!!
đ€« I was thinking of that actually! But I couldnât remember the term, just the general meme of âIf youâre unsure of whether youâre correct, post it on the Internet and youâll be correctedâ ha!
Does anyone know what high level politicians actually do on a day-to day-basis. Like, is there someone who works in the field or has had an internship on Capitol Hill or something that can enlighten me? The pols rarely draft their own bills. Itâs either lobbyists or staffers. Ron Desantis has been Iowa about 100x more than heâs been in Florida. Seems like the job is not all that difficult and you can be absent just about all the time unless thereâs a vote on the floor. But, maybe my admittedly incomplete knowledge is wrong.
Especially at the national level, most politicians hire staffers they trust to implement their policies in accordance with their principals, and harshly punish those that wonât. The closest advisors tend to be either referred from their state party, or people that have risen through the ranks with them, so theyâre often decades old relationships, or at least people that have been in the same circles for years.
The day to day does involve a lot of reading, meeting with lobbyists for specific issues (this includes a lot of non-money players, fwiw), and only rarely in depth policy discussion with advisors/other policy makers. They have to trust their staffers to highlight things they should hammer home/object to in legislation, and, because sometimes bills arrive in Congress already too complicated, theyâre sometimes unable to actually read the whole thing before voting (even in a âyou take 200 pages, you take 200 pagesâŠâ sense), so theyâre essentially trusting that other people have reviewed it well enough.
Itâs a job with long hours, but a lot of that is essentially socializing, so not âhardâ in the same sense as digging holes or whatnot is hard.
Children under 5 get a giant Christmas card, the kind the whole office is supposed to sign. Little kids never get mail, so youâll make their Christmas. Give parents cash to get whatever the kid actually needs.
Children 5 to 10 get a GI Joe or a Barbie. Doesnât matter if the kid likes that toy, what matters is that they can trade it in the school yard. Itâs like sending someone in jail a carton of Newports.
Ages 10 to 20 get cash.
Over 20 gets a nice bottle of booze. Even if they donât drink, they can regift it easily.
I bet that 8 year old would have an easier time trading a nice bottle of booze.
Seriously, though, my parents would have been pissed if I traded away a gift someone gave me. We did trade stuff all the time (mostly matchbox cars and baseball cards) but âI got this for Christmasâ meant that it was off limits for trading.
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