I guess my mortgage could be considered bad debt on account of being adjustable interest rate - this is however the most common type of mortgage arrangement in Sweden where I live. This has led to my interest rate costs going up an eye watering 400% in about a year.
I’ve got ~130k in loans on it. I’m in the privileged position of being able to pay it off fully if the interest rate costs start exceeding the expected returns from the stock market, though, so feel no need to shed even a single tear for me.
The Swedish housing market is a classic zero interest trap story - low interest rates combined with tax incentives and housing availability rates leading to ownership being significantly more lucrative - has led to prices skyrocketing and debt to income ratios spiraling out of control. With adjustable rates being the most common arrangement - again, due to some truly psychotic public policy - now the population that lent money to buy homes are stuck with sickening monthly payments and no way to get out of the debt, since the prices have dropped below purchase price. Not too much though, because of how crazy scarce the housing is.
I guess my mortgage could be considered bad debt on account of being adjustable interest rate - this is however the most common type of mortgage arrangement in Sweden where I live. This has led to my interest rate costs going up an eye watering 400% in about a year.
As a Dane am I envious of some of your systems like investeringssparkonto, but we have the better mortgage system. My home loan is locked in at 1% for 30 years.
You guys have had ENORMOUS immigration over the last eight years without building homes at commensurate rates. No wonder it placed pressure on housing. I don’t think your government had a realistic housing and immigration plan. I guess that’s why they were voted out. I hope things improve.
Can we afford it? Yes, with reasonable budgeting, no sacrifices needed.
Will the car appreciate? Undeniably.
Do we need a toy like this? Fuck no.
Did it anyway. I’ve been poor for such a long time it’s really hard to justify any frivolous purchase at all, but we have good jobs now. I waffle between “This is stupid” and “I’ll never get to do this again, so why not now?” Literally YOLO.
The rest of debt is “good”, like the mortgage building equity, a CC to keep credit rating good (paid off monthly).
Hah, too old for that risky stuff. Hitting a wall at a buck twenty doesn’t sound like fun. Yeah, they absolutely are race cars, but they are built to be street legal as well. That’s the direction I’m in.
If you look at all the cars that have ever existed 99/100 times that car is deprecating.
Yes, OP may have bought a classic car or something with high resale value. I was simply speaking in generalizations. The vast majority of cars depreciate in value once you drive them off the lot.
TBF you made generalizations that a) they don’t appreciate, and b) my car’s value depreciated off the lot directly to the initial statement I made that the car I purchased would appreciate.
I can assure you that these statements are incorrect in regards to my purchase. If you want to walk back your statements to not be in reference to my initial position, who were you talking to then?
I had pretty substantial CC debt about a year ago. Nearing $14k. After health issues, having to move, replace many belongings, car repairs, etc. Used a 401k loan to pay off 10k of it, and since that loan was paid off (it was over $800 a month) I’ve paid the rest down under $3k, and should hopefully have it paid off by either year end or spring at the latest. Currently it’s sitting in 0% APR though, so it’s at least not eating away with interest.
TLDR: Low interest debt that provides long term financial gain is good. Mortgage for primary residence is almost always considered good. Loans to invest into your home that increase its value and make it more reliable/long standing is good. Low interest debt to buy assets for your business is good. Reasonable loans for college is considered good.
Car loans are a bit harder because they lose value as time goes on. But a small loan with good interest is usually considered fine for a car. Buying a brand new car with a loan will almost always be bad, since you’re paying interest to use a depreciating asset. But basically a car loan is always bad if it ever goes upside down, meaning you owe more on the loan than the car is worth. New cars that happens almost instantly.
I have $150k in mortgage debt on a house worth about twice that. Plus a couple more years car debt.
What really gets me is my health insurer severed relations with the county in May and I got hospitalized two weeks ago. So now I will owe the $8,000 out of network deductible. That pisses me off.
This is essentially the same as me. I owe around £40k on a mortgage and my wife has student debt that she’ll never have to repay. Other than that zero debt. I don’t do debt and I like that I’m, more or less, debt free (mortgage doesn’t really count imho.)
Like £25k for a photography degree from 15 years ago. I moved to the US and paid bits of it back (it’s means tested so you just tell them what you earn and they base it on that). I’ve been ignoring their letters because idk, I don’t really want to pay it back? I remember the mandatory classes where we applied for ucas, so I feel like it’s on them for shoving 18 year olds through the loan system for profit.
actually, I am unstable and an incredible liability. If anything, I am a wealth-shrinking entity, like the common household Offshore Tax Shelter. Beware my economic hoodoo.
I mean most people saying they don’t have any bad debt, but saying they have good debt isn’t too bad! It is interesting to know how much mortgage people are carrying.
But these days even mortgages feel bad. 400k at 7% is 28k of just interest. So houses feel way out of reach with current prices/rates.
If rates go down prices go up. So doesn’t feel like there is much winning for non home owners.
Housing prices, like everything, is determined by supply/demand. Interest rates are only part of the equation.
The main reason housing is high right now is because of the supply side, and that’s low at the moment because COVID destroyed the global labor market and the supply chain, so materials are sky-high, with fewer people to do the work of building.
Also, as the stock market tanks people move their money into safer places, like cash or property, hurting the supply side even more. This is what cashed up Boomers are doing (yep, we can keep blaming them).
Housing prices won’t come down until supply outweighs demand.
Not sure if you mean per year but mortgages are generally going to be over much longer time periods. A couple who I know are looking to buy somewhere new and are looking at getting £400k mortgage or thereabouts. With rates as they are now, and over 25 years, they’ll end up paying back £900k!
I’m genuinely curious, what’s your opinion on broad reaching student loan forgiveness? If it happened tomorrow, would you be upset that you had payed yours off?
Not that guy, but basically the same situation. I’d be thrilled. Not having to think about those every month has been amazing. I want everyone to feel that way, even if I have to pay more in taxes to cover it.
No debt since we’re only now looking for houses (yes yes, great timing, I know…) and I frankly wouldn’t know what else I would need to spend so much money on that I would have to go into debt.
Bad, as a % of annual gross pay is about 25% of one year’s pay. Mostly the deficit accrued from when my ex was not working. It’s smaller than it was, but not by much. But moving in the right direction at least.
Plus mortgage on the house and a separate loan for the roof we had put on when we bought it.
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