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dejected_warp_core, in Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x07 "A Few Badgeys More"

I know I’m reading too much into this, but Badgey’s ascension kind of says something very thought provoking.

I can’t let go of the fact that Badgey had his personality stripped down to little more than pure vengance. Yet when he achieves omniscience, this is immediately put aside by a feeling of being something greater, then ascends to points beyond. Is this a deliberate story point to suggest the possibility of asension being a process outside of morals, inner peace, and logic, or is that an accident? Or did Badgey somehow summon new facets to his psyche out of this experience? Or is the door left open for a malevolent presence to come crashing down on everyone later?

Then again, we already had one gag where ascending was a “wait, it’s that easy?!” moment, so maybe that’s all there is to it.

SpaceScotsman, in Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x07 "A Few Badgeys More"

More ascension stuff this episode. I wonder if that’s ever going to be explored, or if it will only ever be left as a gag. It seems like the kind of thing that would be difficult to dig into in a satisfying way.

valen,
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I love the koala that appears as a gas cloud in the opening 15 seconds where the Cerritos flies the Federation Delta shape.

Wooster,
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I mean, to be fair, we got a LARGE info dump with the first ascension. The secrets of the universe, omniscience, the meaning of life… what more is there?

That said, Lower Decks extremely loosely follows along the original movies… considering V is up next, we may get the answer to “What does a Koala need with a spaceship?” and all it entails.

Numberone,

Wait, what? Is this confirmed? Please do explain!

Wooster,
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Each season we get some key art that mimics the movie posters for the original movies. Season 1’s was a homage to the Motion Picture, 2 the Wrath of Kahn etc… the connections are extremely loose and rarely impact the plot in any meaningful way, but they’re there. (For instance, in S4 we have the whale probe in the opening sequence)

Considering V was a quest to meet God, and the Koala is the closest thing LD has to that, baring Q or Trelane and the like, I think it’s safe point of conjecture.

But, for realsies, the only things we currently know about S5 is that it’s in production, T’Lyn is sticking around, and we’re visiting Orion again.

gregorum, (edited ) in Repetitive Epics

Unfortunately, not enough detail was given regarding the story or plot, so no comparison can really be made.

wuphysics87, in Vulcan Sex Workers

Orion Slave Girls

qantravon, in Raktajino... has liquor in it?

That’s very strange, I’ve looked at a few recipes and never seen alcohol as an ingredient. It usually is just coffee with some spices, usually including cinnamon.

ThunderclapSasquatch,

I just assumed it took Mezoamerican influences back and added peppers, Klingons like food that fights back

half_built_pyramids, in question about "synchronic displacement" in TNG 'Times Arrow'

Here’s a shot at the balloon filling up with water explanation:

It’s like two cars driving down a highway at night. You see the headlights from the car ahead of you illuminating the scenery, but you never catch up to them.

SatanicNotMessianic, (edited )

I think OP is implying that time works like a film strip, so that if I’m five minutes behind you, I see where you were five minutes ago.

That’s the way time travel in Trek works. If you travel from Time B in the future to Time A in the past at a given place, you see the place as it was at that time, including the people who were there.

I think that rather being just shifted in time a la time travel, they were actually dealing with a flex in spacetime, like a curve in the road you can’t quite see around, but Diana could see their essence like light from the tail lights, as in your example.

In other words, they were caught in a time warp, again.

SpaceNoodle,

10/10

lemmyvore, in Where Are All The Bicycles??

I’m always reminded of Star Trek when I’m watching… Bond movies. The smorgasbord of over-the-top tech he’s using and the casual manner in which he keeps pulling them out at the right moment feels like should be right at home in the Federation.

porthos,

hahaha yup good comparison

Astronaut_M_Dexter, in In the Pale Moonlight - Theories within

Yeah, not clicking anything to rumble [dot] com.

blackredzee,

I hear that. I tried uploading to youtube about 8 times, they don’t give specific reasons for blocking video or removing it. I’m left with alternative websites =(

Astronaut_M_Dexter,

Perhaps you can summarize your theories in the post instead. “In the Pale Moonlight” is an epic episode, so it would make for a good read.

blackredzee,

There have been some theories posted here that make a lot of sense for the DS9 episode, “In the Pale Moonlight”, such as:

The bio-mimetic gel was used to make a bomb

Garek already had an optolithic data rod

Garek killed Vreenak as a promise to his father

Garek didn’t contact any of his old friends on Cardassia, they weren’t killed

The Tal Shiar were involved in Vreenak’s death, feeding information to Garek

However I would like to put forward a couple more theories:

A. Vreenak believed in Sisko’s argument during the sit down, but it wasn’t the right time to join the war. Explanation: Vreenak was part of the war plans council, he must have known about Sisko’s argument about being surrounded after. Combined with the Romulans knew how the Dominion operated, they traded use of the cloaking technology for info on the Dominion in the gamma quadrant. Part of theat info was the Dominion using the quickening on planets that defied them.

B. Vreenak bluffed Sisko in annoucning the rod was a fake. Explanation: It didn’t make sense for a highly valuable rod to be given to Vreenak, from the Federation’s perspective who knew what Vreenak would have done with it, he could have discarded it or have been secretly working with the dominion. Why not escort the rod under heavy guard to Earth or to Romulus?

And I believe there is discussion for some more controversial topics:

I. The Dominion were a force for the greater good. The alpha quadrant will go on to have endless wars, if they were to all to fall under the Dominion there wouldn’t be any wars. Explanation: Weyoun prevents Damar from reclaiming Bajor after attacking DS9 station.

II. The Alpha quadrant players are bad people that the founders need to be protected from. They tried to commit genocide against the founders.

III. The writers wrote this episode to leave room for compassion towards Sisko and how he acted. Conveniently it was Tolar the criminal that harassed the dabo girl, a cold Vreenak willing to let the Alpha quadrant fall and some nameless Romulan Guards that died. How would the audience react if the plot involved sacrificing Sisko’s son and his wife? Probably a lot more negatively. How convenient that they are bad people that we can forget about. How convenient that Starfleet blessed the plan leaving Sisko able to wash his hands of everything.

IV. Sisko is hypocritical, he sentences Garek to jail for trying to take over the Defiant and trying to attack the Dominion but does not hold himself to the same standards over this episode. Should he sentence himself to jail, should he report everything up his chain and be court martialed, why does he get to escape punishment? War time scenario make him immune or is he protecting himself?

JWBananas, in Wild theory about the Mysterious Ship
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The ship also can’t be interested in these ships for their intended purposes, since there’s nothing of substance that connects them all-beyond all having disgruntled lower deckers.

Coming back to read this again, it’s a bit amusing that the actual answer was right here and was dismissed.

Wooster,
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Hahaha!

In my defense, McMahan and his crew always give us something extraordinary that defies expectations. Cranky Lower Deckers who never developed into anything more seemed pedestrian by comparison.

JWBananas,
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It was nice to see them subvert the typical “the entire quadrant/galaxy/universe is at stake” trope.

Wooster,
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Lower Decks has been really good about that in general. SNW too for that matter.

Prodigy did dip into it, but there was plenty of build up and rarely dwelt in it for too long.

holothuroid,
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@Wooster

I very much dislike the final episode of Prodigy. We have a ship controlled by a bunch of kids, an admiral who should be in charge of any mission but this one, and timetravelling assassins.

It's a great setup for literally anything but space fleet combat.

@JWBananas

JWBananas,
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And then they had the audacity to do it again in season 3 of Picard!

xilliah, in Does anyone in Starfleet wear sunglasses?

Geordi La Forge

nxdefiant, in Annotations for *Star Trek: Lower Decks* 4x09: “The Inner Fight” (SPOILERS)

I am now quite suspicious of why the mystery ship resembles the Delta Flyer.

khaosworks,
@khaosworks@startrek.website avatar

Now that you mention it, the design is actually also close to the Academy Training Ships that Nova Squadron were using for the Kolvoord Starburst maneuver.

HobbitFoot, in Searching for Inspirations | The Balance of Terror

For something not xyguy…

The episode does a great job of communicating actual military considerations in space. The Enterprise locates itself in a specific location to appear to be a sensor echo in Romulan sensors, which belays an in depth understanding that the Federation has for the Romulan Star Empire. Everything that both sides do shows an understanding of what the other side can reasonably do and in that creates a chess game.

I can’t think of too many sci-fi properties today that get into the lived in reality that this episode does. This episode goes way deep into the how of war, even with a new technology disrupting it.

xyguy, in Searching for Inspirations | The Balance of Terror

My main takeaway from this episode was the Romulans and Vulcans being the same and what the implications on that for Starfleet and Spock especially.

Romulans are like Vulcans? Does that make Vulcans bad? Romulans good? Spock is already the different one on the bridge? Will the rest of the crew believe in Starfleet ideals or will they turn on Spock and allow racism to rule the day.

Tie this to treatment of Japanese civilians in the US during world war 2 (something Sulu’s actor was unfortunately quite familiar with). Are all members of a race bad because the governments are at war? Obviously not but this is a common refrain from the ignorant and afraid during conflicts.

Ultimately the Enterprise and the Romulan captain stop seeing themselves in terms of soldiers fighting for their side and instead as 2 people caught in the middle of the fight between their governments. The Romulan captain’s sacrifice in the end exemplifies the realization. Rather than continue the conflict and drag both sides into a brutal patriotic conflict, he sees the humanitarian cost of such a conflict and therefore, the intrinsic value of life of both sides.

The episode wants to drive hope the point that people are people, no matter nationality or political conflict. At the end of the day we are all the same. Despite Stiles racism toward Spock, Kirk and by extension the Federation-idealized humanity, will have none of it.

RuminatingKiwi927,

That was very nice to read. Yes I agree, something that must be done to prevent a war between the two powers.

inappropriatecontent, in Repetitive Epics

I don’t know what the most similar novel to The Neverending Sacrifice might be, but I think the exact opposite is probably the 1970s novels satirizing the British Raj called The Flashman Papers. They are incredibly funny, highly offensive, beautiful assaults on the landed gentry, set during one of the most incompetent, badly failed military expeditions to Afghanistan in the history of badly failed military expeditions to Afghanistan–the British one.

No, not the American one with British help–the actual British one, from way back in the seventeenth century.

GregorGizeh, (edited ) in Vulcan Sex Workers

From that voyager episode with horny belana we learn that Vulcans are basically assigned a mate, so the chances are slim that a vulcan would need release without an outlet. And aside from that, the ponfarr can also be dealt with through meditation and discipline, probably particularly created for the situations you mention where there actually is no partner available.

qantravon,

Vorik and Tuvok both claim the problem can be dealt with through meditation, but both of them also fail to resolve the issue in this way, so we don’t know if that’s actually an effective treatment.

There’s also lots of ways a Vulcan could end up single, not to mention we’ve seen at least two instances of Vulcans rejecting their arranged marriages (T’Pol and T’Pring), so there’s no guarantee any given Vulcan has a mate, despite their customs.

T156,

In the T’Pring case, we also see that sex isn’t the only outlet. A fight to the death is just as effective, with Spock ending up not needing to bed T’Pring, having resolved his Ponn Farr by fighting Kirk.

While the cultural custom is a fight to the death, it is possible that some form of extended, high-stakes physical combat might be enough to relieve things, but Vulcan sensibilities might simply prevent them from choosing that as an option.

qantravon,

This is true, and ultimately fighting is how Vorik’s Pon Farr is resolved as well. So there could also be a Vulcan fight club for those afflicted.

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