True tho. In some episodes they just solder random panes of metal together for a joke and those look better. Id rather drive the two sided car than this.
If a collision is inevitable, then yeah, I wanna be the one that comes out OK. Hopefully, everyone does, but the safety of those in my vehicle is far more important than anyone else to me. I’ll take something that protects the inside at the expense of the outside every day of the week. That’s somehow a bad thing?
Whatever suits you bro but that’s a genuine thought right there, was going to say it depends if you can slide or lean the seat back in the white truck, if you can, would beat the black truck. Usually has a tool compartment anyway so does fit as far as I’m concerned.
Every e-scooter is one less Uber on the road. Building bike lanes is the answer, not banning scooters. “Oh the Urbanity” did a fantastic video about it on YouTube, highly recommended.
The video makes good points, but unfortunately loads of the arguments made in this video could be fuel for these nutjobs to start arguing that cars are over-regulated.
There are already people who seem happy with low levels of regulation on firearms, I don't see how they'll accept the safety argument for car licensing.
I mean I know the raw stats are fairly easy to show that cars are one of the most dangerous things in the world (ranked up there with thinks like malaria) - but do those people care?
There’s also a counter argument. Houses are also over regulated with exclusionary zoning. If they like to de-regulate housing then we can start the discussion from there.
Just SUVs? Why not Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bently, or all the other luxery vehicles? This seems pretty arbitrary at first glance. I don’t know french car culture very well but aren’t SUVs more of a middle class thing?
French car culture isnt much different than European car culture in general, for the sake of the topic here. Small displacement engines (1.6, or 2.0 liter usually) and small footprint because of space. Scooters and pedal bikes are super common around places like Paris, tho…parking, gas, weaving through the congestion, etc. However, some of the wagon variants of cars and these luxury cars you mention sometimes have a much larger footprint than small and mid-sized SUVs. Unless overhead clearance is an issue, like in parking garages, i don’t quite understand the reason for singling out SUVs here.
This, of course, is all stated with European sized SUVs in mind that share the same small displacement engines as other cars. Not the giant American sized ones that have much larger engines where emissions issues now come into play. However, all those luxury cars usually have even bigger engines and sometimes the loud exhaust as well…sooo…🤷
Could it also be to do with the increased lethality of SUVs? A study in Ireland shows 11.5% of pedestrians hit by an SUV were killed versus 4.5% for a car.
No law is perfect and there’s always an edge case to provide a reason for doing nothing. This is definitely a step in the right direction to stop the arms race that purchasing larger vehicles has become though.
Bruh, my only vehicle for close to two years was a truck that I inherited, a 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 LS. I believe it got about 8mpg on average, but I dealt with it because I didn’t have any other way to get a different vehicle at the time.
Nowadays I drive a 2018 Ford Fiesta SE. The difference is night and day. Stops on a dime, accelerates quickly, I can fit it anywhere I want, and it gets an average of 34mpg. I went from paying between $75 to $125 every week and a half for gas to spending about $30 over the same time period.
I drive small cars in my personal life, although I currently own 2 station wagons because of family and pets. I usually get an average consumption of 6-7L/100km, which is not bad at all.
My first and most beloved car was a hatchback that could get 5,5L/100km.
I have to drive a pick up for work but I do not enjoy it, to the least degree.
Most of my friends that are in the trades prefer small vans over pickup trucks. They can fit more tools, better organized, and easier to secure. Pickup trucks are very niche vehicles.
Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there are no risen raised vans or with 4x4 traction, which I often require to reach some remote locations, especially with rainy weather.
But I would gladly trade it in for a small van.
Either that or a 1990’s 4x4 FIAT Panda, with a roof rack.
Pretty sure mercedes has some vans like that. I know of a company that build them into off road & off grid camping vans and they do rock climbing, or whetever one would call it, in them. They are still quite long and big but not like the sheer stupid toys that a modern pickup is.
There are, not sure what your qualifications for a “risen van” are, but Ford Transits and Mercedes Sprinters have an AWD variant. Dodge has had 4wd panel vans since the 90s, not sure if they still are, tho. There’s probably other makes out there, but that’s what I know off the top of my head. I think there’s also aftermarket companies that can mod vans into 4wd, but that’s getting a little crazy for just a basic work van.
At least 20cm of clearance from the road, awd capable, with high torque setting for rough terrain and steep inclinations, as I sometimes need to use trails not even fit to be considered goat paths.
Ya, it’d be doable for sure with the craze of all the overland van-dweller builds the last few years. Ive seen plenty that meet all your requirements. But, whether it would be cost-effective or not for a work van would be the major issue, especially considering most trucks can do all that without being a special order for probably less than half the price.
Unfortunately not a lot of demand for such a thing, like you said.
Years ago i was in a spot where i needed the same as you for basically all the same reasons. The old van kept getting stuck everywhere, and then it actually got rolled from hitting a patch of black ice one winter, so it was totaled. These high-top vans had just started coming to market which was great, but I couldn’t convince the boss to spend the extra money for at least an AWD version, nevermind the higher ground clearance or low-torque options. I still got that thing stuck so many times…having a high-top I could stand up in was nice though.
Did you know?
According to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), there are around 20-30 fatal accidents related to refrigerators in the United States each year.
The majority of these accidents involve children under the age of 5 who become trapped inside the refrigerator or freezer.
Tip-over incidents are one of the leading causes of refrigerator-related fatalities, accounting for about 70% of the cases. (Source).
Hot take: It’s no stupider than any other pickup truck, and at least it stands out. Don’t get me wrong, it’s fugly as hell, but that’s still better than being indistinguishable from every other vehicle in its class.
Social status. The main reason for wanting to stand out (other than your own ego) is because having a higher social status will offer the individual more opportunities in these social games we play.
Really not what I meant. I mean you don’t chase after happiness with purchases. You know how like people chase after happiness with alcohol, drugs, etc. These things won’t make you happy, you have to find happiness in life at a more fundamental level.
IMO it depends on what you’re buying. Exercise and training to compete in sports that I do brings me some of the most happiness I have in my life, so buying sports equipment really does improve my happiness because it lets me do what I enjoy. I enjoy astronomy and just bought my first telescope recently and it has brought me a ton of joy. OTOH I have also been pulled into the cycle of buying shit because it’s new and shiny and once it transforms from a “new thing” into just a “thing”, it loses my attention.
In our case, we were able to get a better rate from investing than the rate we’re getting charged on the car loan. It was “cheaper” to take the loan than to pay up front! This economy is nuts.
When borrowing rates are lower than investment returns borrowing just makes good financial sense.
I could pay off my home loan today, but at 2.5% interest why, when I can keep that money and leave it in a safe high return investment? I’d be losing 10s of thousands a year in returns for my retirement to save a few thousand in mortgage interest.
Same thing with cars.
Then again, I don’t even buy new cars. I just get a dependable used Japanese car and drive it until it dies at 300k miles.
It’s OK to go into debt over a depreciating asset if you can afford to default on the loan, and it substantially improves your ability to make money. Businesses do it all the time. If a sole trader could work better with the cybertruck for some reason(I’ve got nothing) and could borrow off their house as collateral, that’s a financially savvy business decision.
But a lot of people fall victim to predatory marketing. We need to recognize that it’s not just them being dumb, they were manipulated, tricked and lied to by a powerful machine.
Not the same bed width or volume though. Not the same comfort level in the cab or crew capacity. Definitely not the same towing capacity. It’s silly to buy the bigger truck just to drive around town, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to get one.
Are you going to tell me that insane difference in vehicle and engine size and weight is needed to gain that extra inch and a half of bed width? I think we can agree it is absolutelty not and I am pretty sure you can find a model of the sane truck with a larger/longer bed as well. Actually here it is, and it hauls way more than the “truck”, crazy bro they even made a version thats closed and higher so you can bring like 3x more stuff and it doesnt rain on your precious power tools or literally whatever you are carrying around.
Not the same comfort level in the cab or crew capacity.
Sorry what? Comfort level? You mean like ass-heating seats or cup holders? Werent we talking about a work vehicle? And even if not, what comfort feature is it not possible to implement in the smaller one? A toilet in the backseats? The crew capacity argument kinda “holds” in the very very specific and nieche scenario where you need to carry a very big team… but also not that many tools and materials? And I think we can agree 99,99% of the trips done in those don’t fall within this scenario.
Definitely not the same towing capacity.
14000 libs towing capacity, my brother in christ, do you need to tow a tank? Because if not, the only thing that number is towing is its marketing
It’s silly to buy the bigger truck just to drive around town, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to get one.
And that’s kind of what this entire community is advocating for; I don’t think no one cares if a person that actually needs a worktruck buys the silly type of truck for actual work (even though this posts wants to say that for A LOT of those cases there might be a financially and efficiency-wise better alternative). What’s stupid is that roads in some countries around the world are filled with them and I assure you 99% of them are used for the 1% they are advertised for.
Wall of text, forgot to say that they also have shitty visibility, while the second type one is great
I’m glad you said this. This truck comparison I’ve seen going around is getting tiresome. If someone’s only measure of a work vehicle is bed length, I suggest they widen their scope.
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