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potate, in Our children are victims of road violence. We need to talk about the deadly norms of car use

The number of PSAs about not getting mowed down during Halloween was absurd. ‘Wear reflective vests’, ‘only cross the street in groups’ - and not a single ‘hey, it’s Halloween and there’s going to be excited kids everywhere - please avoid driving and if you have to, be super extra careful’.

My partner’s idea, which I thought was brilliant, was that the speed limit on all residential streets should be dropped to 20km/h for the day.

apprehensively_human,

The speed limit on all residential streets should be at the very most 30km/h year round. Since I started active commuting every day, I’ve noticed how alarmingly scary it is going 50 when I do have to drive. Reaction times at that speed do not allow for the amount of braking distance required.

ElNuevo,
@ElNuevo@lemmy.lemist.de avatar

Why only for the day though?

Imo there is no reason and there should be no right to drive much faster than that right past a house people live in, no matter the date.

BorgDrone, in Our children are victims of road violence. We need to talk about the deadly norms of car use

How about starting with proper driving lessons and tests and not letting children drive 1+ ton death machines?

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Also regular tests for people who have been driving to ensure they understand the changes in driving laws and to reinforce safety guidance.

PlasterAnalyst,

I haven't had to take a driving test in over 20 years. Only once I had to take a multiple choice test on the meaning of various signs and you get three chances to pass it. It's absolutely absurd that they allow people to get their license at 16 and rarely have to retake a driving test.

_haha_oh_wow_, in Suburban Cycling Myths Busted: It's Closer Than You Think
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

I live in a suburban neighborhood and ride my bike everywhere. I very rarely drive anymore and am probably going to end up selling my car.

WalrusDragonOnABike,

I ebike regularly to work, but still far from everyday. 25km/15mi each way makes it a bit time consuming. But I live within walking distance of a grocery store, a gym, elementary, middle, & high school, multiple pharmacies, all sorts of medical facilities, multiple parks, cafes, restaurants, a transit station (that unfortunately doesn't actually get used except for rushhour, which is irrevelant for me), etc. Very little reason to drive outside of the commute here and things like trips to visit family. Still the infrastructure leaves some to be desired, but you don't even need a bike to get to most amenities in a reasonable time.

And I live in an area that is one of the most common go-to examples of car-centric infrastructure. Granted, much more sparsely populated suburbs do exist in the area as well.

MonsiuerPatEBrown, in Rails and bike in vehicle. Can't get better than this!

I have seen at least one person mod an ebike with an outrigger for exploring dead rail lines in the USA.

the weirdos they are long-lived in this species.

lemann,

Several years ago on YouTube I was watching people rig up their own disused rail carts using battery drills, lawnmower engines and all sorts lol

sparky, in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

Clickbait headline, and stupid article. At no point are they making the claim that EVs are worse than combustion engines. The author posits that bicycles and walking are even more climate friendly than driving a car of any kind (duh). This entire article could be replaced by the sentence, “We should keep building trams and bike lanes in the EV era”.

mondoman712,

The point is that the money spent on electric car subsidies went mostly to more wealthy people and took money away from investing in things like better public transport.

LennethAegis, in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
@LennethAegis@kbin.social avatar

“Most Norwegian cities now have more of a car-centric, American approach toward transportation than a multi-modal, European one,”

That's a sad sentence to read, I always assumed Norway was like Sweden with amazing public transportation as well.

SkyeStarfall,

I live in Oslo, and that’s not true for here at least. Oslo probably has one of the best public transit systems in the world, at least relative to its population. I never use any form of car, personal or taxi, I don’t even own a driving license, and I can easily get anywhere I want to go. At least within the city.

legofreak,

As soon as you leave the city though, you’re having a problem. Bicycle infrastructure is basically non-existent, cars heavily impeding buses - at least where I live - which delays them all the time and centralised bus hubs, which means that you always have to go to the bus hub first, change bus lines and then go to your destination.

This is also my biggest problem with the metro in Oslo. If you live slightly outside of Oslo but still along the metro line, the only way to travel perpendicular to the metro lines is often to take the metro towards the city, change lines and go back almost the same direction you came from.

sparky,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

I think this is a failure of imagination on the part of the author. Norway is, on a whole, much more rural; a large portion of the population lives in small towns and villages in areas with difficult terrain (think fjords), where public transport beyond a bus is impractical due to population densities.

The public transport in Oslo and Bergen are fantastic - Norway’s only two large cities. Keeping in mind that over a quarter of the population of the entire country lives in these two, it’s not as bad as it sounds.

LennethAegis,
@LennethAegis@kbin.social avatar

I see, that makes sense. I appreciate the lesson in Norway's infrastructure.

DAT, in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
@DAT@feddit.de avatar

so it’s not the “electric” part that’s the problem in norway

it’s still better than combustion engines

stupid headline!

mondoman712,

It’s not the cars being electric that’s the problem, but their approach to electric cars and seeing them as a solution is.

toaster, in Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts

E-bikes and infrastructure would have been a cheap and effective alternative for those subsidies as well.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

or like, electric mopeds

at least here in sweden like 90% of the population is within easy moped range of their daily business

brewery,

I am really coming around to the fact that mopeds should be more common. The trouble is, it feels dangerous until car/van/trucks reduce in number, which is a catch-22.

I am thinking of getting one for my commute as just started a new job where it is possible to go on public transport but takes twice as long and lots of changes. Its just awkward placement really rather than the lack of transport, as have to criss cross. It does blow my mind how everyone is driving around tanks just for one person to travel (as cars have gotten noticeably bigger), it just doesn’t make sense!

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

a good step in the right direction is moped cars, small 2-seaters that legally qualify as mopeds.

MrMagnesium12, in me_irl
@MrMagnesium12@feddit.de avatar

Let me present: the new constructed high speed rail line Wendlingen-Ulm, next to Autobahn 8.

Bahn

Aopen, in me_irl

Why do you want to make people feel bad on purpose?

UlyssesT,

Carbrains go out of their way to make pedestrians and cyclists feel bad on purpose, and society subsidizes their planet-burning nonsense and needlessly plans cities around humoring their personalized pollution machines.

Fuck 'em.

Aopen,

You are stuck on twitter mentality where everyone is radicalized and fights the other side.

You describe people as monsters. Go outside, touch grass, no one kills anyone on purpose. System is problem, not

Carbrains

UlyssesT,

Go outside, touch grass, no one kills anyone on purpose.

smuglord

www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/…/index.html

You live in a bubble world where you feel comfortably smug and want to talk down to other people. You are stuck on a Reddit mentality and it disgusts me.

Also, since you smugly (and deepy ignorantly) claimed no one kills anyone on purpose because you’re that high on your own farts in that bubble world of yours, here’s some people that kill on purpose, a lot more than no one. The source should be liberal enough for you to not whine about “bias” either. Maybe.

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/hate-incidents

Aopen,

www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/…/index.html

is outdated

factcheck.org/…/protections-for-drivers-who-hit-p…

except Oklahoma

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/22/us/…/index.html

You live in a bubble world where you feel comfortably smug and want to talk down to other people. You are stuck on a Reddit mentality and it disgusts me.

Its my perspective on you

Also, since you smugly (and deepy ignorantly) claimed no one kills anyone on purpose because you’re that high on your own farts in that bubble world of yours, here’s some people that kill on purpose, a lot more than no one. The source should be liberal enough for you to not whine about “bias” either. Maybe. www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/hate-incidents

Its easy to find on internet people killing in US.

duckduckgo.com/?q=shooting&t=fpas&iar=new…

Ultimate measure of safety is percieved personal safety. I have to admit I didnt know situation in US is so bad with over half of people feeling unsafe

newsweek.com/young-americans-most-likely-feel-uns…

As I live in a country where 13% feel unsafe

britishpoles.uk/do-poles-feel-safe-in-their-count…

Realistically speaking ordinary people probably dont encounter agression on daily basis as they run errand, but violent acts happen more often so more people feel unsafe. Ordinary people dont kill for sure

Carbrains go out of their way to make pedestrians and cyclists feel bad on purpose, and society subsidizes their planet-burning nonsense and needlessly plans cities around humoring their personalized pollution machines. Fuck 'em.

I still disagree with your view of drivers on a highway

SmokinStalin,
@SmokinStalin@hexbear.net avatar

Car brain is salty

huf,

carbrains should feel bad. constantly.

Aopen,

You dont want to solve any problem. You want to make people suffer

UlyssesT,

You dont want to solve any problem.

What problem are you solving by smugly standing “in the middle” and snorting up your own farts here?

Aopen,

I want transportation system to be improved for people’s welldom and without trying to impose any views sacrifiing quality in the process

“See these losers on train? They built 20% longer route only because they wanted to make passagers see losers on highway”

SmokinStalin,
@SmokinStalin@hexbear.net avatar

You are in a room where everyone already agrees that high speed rail is good.

Someone makes a (very fucking obvious) joke about how high speed rail is so good we should build them next to highways to make carbrains jealous.

You: um actually we shouldn’t try to make people feel bad. Making people jealous is bad policy decision. Doing that would make the train less efficient too.

Everyone else in the room: yes we know you joyless nerd.

barsoap, in me_irl
Masimatutu,

Glorious

But_Class_War, in me_irl
@But_Class_War@midwest.social avatar

That works. The local L trains running along side the highway in Chicago got me, seeing 5 trains roll by while barley[barely] moving in bumper to bumper gave me the final push to covert to public transit

Diplomjodler, in Atlanta 1950s and now

Let me guess what kind of people predominantly lived in the neighborhoods that were bulldozed.

Blackmist,
ThrowawayPermanente, in Atlanta 1950s and now

The expressway must expand in order to acommodate the increasing needs of the expressway

squaresinger, in Atlanta 1950s and now

Sure the designers of this monstrosity thought, “There are only black people living there, so it’s a win-win” -.-

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