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Deceptichum, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Australia was founded on using convicts as labourers and this still exists today, except now we pay them $1 an hour.

Crashumbc, (edited ) in Nazi shithead rally in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1938

Just think history repeats. The GOP is followng the Nazi game plan right now.

We’re at the stage where they’re convincing all their followers that, the only to “save” the US. Is to ignore our rules of government…

This shit is scary as fuck

Tammo-Korsai,
@Tammo-Korsai@kbin.social avatar

They already made one violent attempt to stay in power with too many people shrugging it off as a 'riot.' I fear they will try it again, but with a full complement of guns and bombs.

MindSkipperBro12, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902

Didn’t know Australians still had slavery so late in history.

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Formally, it wasn't slavery. Effectively, it was.

Poop,

I’m seeing chains on necks, looks like slavery to me. Even if they were prisoners, that is inhumane.

Fucking greasy to think it’s so close to recent history.

Spuddlesv2,

It was still happening in the 1970’s.

520,

The current US prison system is effectively legalised slavery, and is a big reason why US system doesn't do reform and incentives recedivism

okamiueru, (edited )

Still literally in the US constitution. 13th:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

Tyfud,

And it only took the bloodiest civil war in history, a war we’re still paying the price for not going the extra mile and abolishing the southern states and replacing them with Union members.

MindSkipperBro12,

Such is the price to end slavery in America and advance the worldwide abolitionist movement.

And I wish federal occupation had lasted significantly longer, enough to replace the older generation with a enlightened, Yankee way of thinking and attitude. That or go the route of Jacob Smith and just shoot about everyone above the age of ten and sell all the land for cheap.

Isoprenoid,

Mate, its more recent than you think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modern_chain_gang.jpg

HerbalGamer,
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doesn’t count if you don’t think those wearing chains are people.

cjsolx, (edited )

What gets me is that yeah that’s their excuse, but if someone treated, say, an orangutan or a baboon like this I’d think that was pretty fucked up too. We were so gross. We still are (dog fighting, circus elephants etc) but the cruelty that we’re capable of without what is essentially moral peer pressure, is chilling to think about. Even today we fight tooth and nail against moral progress and treating everyone with respect.

Gold_E_Lox,

hahahahaha you think this is late???

Smoogs,

Aboriginals we’re even denied a seat in politics just in the last few months. I remember being shocked they voted in Tony abbot …who for years screamed about women’s menstruation in parliament. Australia is super backwards.

Couldbealeotard,
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Abbott was also appointed Minister for Women.

The Voice which, if I understand correctly, wasn’t an offer of a seat in parliament, it was a constitutional amendment that would allow an advisory board for Aboriginal and Torres strait islanders. They wouldn’t have had any actual power any way.

sharkfucker420, (edited )
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

America still had slavery in the 1940s when the last slave was freed (might’ve been later than that) and it still has slavery in the form of prison labor

raynethackery,

Can you tell me more about that?

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Here’s where I got this information, it’s a long watch but well worth it. video

Immersive_Matthew,

His videos are really detailed, fact based and eye opening for sure.

PugJesus,
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A_cook_not_a_chef,

And we still have slavery. It is legal per the 13th amendment. Disgusting.

Anticorp,

China still has slavery today.

novibe,

Also India, many places in Europe, the Arab states, South and North America. Or do you mean China is specially “slavey”?

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean sure maybe idk anything about china. What made you bring it up?

LavaPlanet,

They didn’t even class indigenous Australians as people, until late 1960’s. They were considered fauna.

Deceptichum,
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Floufym,
@Floufym@lemmy.world avatar

Is it ? Australia hold a référendum this year to give a bit more rights to native people. They voted against it.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Yes?

I am Australian. And the vote wasn’t about rights, it was about representation.

Floufym,
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You can use the wording you want, Australia is a racist country that shows no respect to the native people.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

I’ll take solace in knowing we will never be as racist as Europeans. Because we’re a proud multicultural country and you’re the lot who keep toying with nationalism and genocide.

You would never hear anyone in Australia mutter the vile hate they spew towards Romani. And their treatment of refugees is so bad, that they make us look good in comparison.

At the end of the day, outside of say NZ/Canada you will not find a less racist country.

So cry all you want.

Floufym,
@Floufym@lemmy.world avatar

He, it is not a contest. I never say Europe was less racist than other country/area. Just I don’t hide by using some words to softening the reality.

I don’t try to move away the initial discussion : we don’t care if it is true or not that native people where considered as fauna. The point was native people are considered as second class people, that do not deserve respect, unfortunately.

Deceptichum, (edited )
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

That’s not softening reality.

The recently failed referendum gave zero rights to Aboriginal people. That was never the intention, because they already have the same rights.

The Voice is one part of the healing process, to misframe it as something else only helps the people who voted against it.

You’re obviously not equipped enough to understand the situation.

Smoogs,

It was a British penal colony up until 1840

Fleur__, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902
@Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

Man we really fucked this place up

jhulten,

By “we” do you mean “Europeans and their colonial spawn” and by “this place” do you mean “earth”?

novibe,

They hate the truth! It hurts their eyes.

sharkfucker420, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902
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He looks way too fucking smug

DragonTypeWyvern,

No John Browns in Australia.

FlyingSquid, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902
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That enormous cockhole Rolf Harris sung about this in Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport like it was no big deal. And it was a huge hit and no one said anything.

Anticorp,

I can’t speak for anyone else, but the lyrics you wrote are the only lyrics to the entire song that I know, and I’ve always thought it was just some weird gibberish. Granted, I’ve never actively listened to it or sought it out, I’ve only heard it in passing.

floofloof,

en.wikipedia.org/…/Tie_Me_Kangaroo_Down,_Sport

There was an offensive verse in the original song, later deleted. But this is far from the most offensive thing about Rolf Harris.

Bebo, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902

Such an evil smile.

theangryseal,

And he might have ended up being a standup dude in another time.

That’s something that I think about often.

The average intelligence of the population of the world isn’t that great. Most people accept whatever reality is instilled in them. If you take a little baby and raise it up to think of some people as animals, they’ll probably never question it, and being surrounded only by people who accept that reality, they’ll never have a reason to question it. I very rarely meet a person who has ever really questioned their reality. It always surprised me when I do.

Most abolitionists came from a world where they were they weren’t exposed to slavery, so they were able to question it. Even then, only around 2% of the population were abolitionists, they just fought really hard for their cause until it rose up high enough to actually be considered for action.

I’m not even putting myself into that small group of people smart enough to question their reality. If I hadn’t grown up with the internet there’s a good chance I’d be a preacher in a Pentecostal holiness church somewhere. That small handful of people who question their reality help spread their questions to the idiot masses.

That’s why I admire people who fight for positive change above all other people. They fight an uphill battle daily. Sometimes they win big and I’m grateful they do.

Syldon,
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I have to agree here from experience.

One of my kids came out as gay. I grew up in a very homophobic environment in the 70s. I would quite often called timid people puffs etc. Sometimes around my kids, because that was how I grew up. You discouraged timid behaviour to stop them getting bullied. Realising one of your kids is gay was a real eye opener for me as to how bad these phrases are.

I would never treat a gay person differently. I just saw it as an expression that was common when I was young, and also in the environment I worked in. For context, I used to play squash with a guy from work, who everyone was convinced was gay. He actually got married in a heterosexual relationship a few years later, but whether he was or wasn’t never bothered me. This ofc doesn’t excuse the practise, it just shows how warped I was.

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

General Sherman early in life was quite alright with slavery and a casual racist against Black people, and later became an ardent anti-racist (at least, anti-racist with regards to anti-Black racism). He noted, some years after the US CIvil War, when asked by younger folk how so many people could have blithely accepted slavery, that man is more a creature of habit than originality.

gravitas_deficiency, in Nazi shithead rally in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1938

And remember: there was another one of these a year later, at . It can - and indeed has - happened here. And around 2016 most of them swapped out their signs, but it’s the same core ideology.

Anticorp,

What is the new sign? A red hat?

Alchemy, in Nazi shithead rally in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1938
@Alchemy@lemmy.world avatar

Why is there fencing around the areas, like fenced in middle section?

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Possibly to avoid anti-fascist demonstrators rushing the stage, as I know happened in several non-German Nazi rallies around the world.

Gazumi, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902

Even today, only cursory recognition that the Aboriginal people remain excluded from their own lands and ways

Madison420,

Hey you could get a token reservation increased policing a nation that thinks themselves native and have since 1740 at the very least.

FinallyDebunked, (edited ) in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902
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What fine, upstanding men there were in days gone by.

Caradoc879, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902

Slave. The word is slave. “Forced labor” sounds like it’s downplaying the severity.

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

I don't mean to downplay the severity, but there are procedural differences. Slavery was pro forma banned at the time. Effectively, I agree, for all practical purposes of the folk in chains, it was slavery.

tetris11, in Hops pickers on stilts, UK, 1928
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Isn’t that just 6 kids in 2 trenchcoats?

distantsounds,

Well no, it’s likely 2 grown men on stilts…unless it’s photoshopped

rustyredox, in Hops pickers on stilts, UK, 1928

That’s intense! Imagine tipping over the point of no return and falling over 3x your hight, all while your feet and hips are strapped in place. No bailing from the stilts, no tuck and roll, just catching yourself like your landing the most insane jumping pushup, that is if your even falling face first.

The workers also don’t look too young. I wonder if this is sort of like the case of there being no bold, old pilots. Just seasoned workers who learn never to push their luck when balancing all day, or just folks who really learned how to take a fall early in their life.

Great community BTW, just subscribed.

PugJesus,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Wild what people do without all the modern safety measures and machines we have!

Hope you enjoy it here! Just trying to bring a few historical curiosities to the Fediverse!

MedicPigBabySaver,

It might sound crazy, but, I bet these workers didn’t fall … Ever

rustyredox,

These two workers specifically?
I could see with that.

These kind of workers in general?
I’m betting the ones who managed to limp off after one good belly flop would have quickly retired to shorter stilts.

tweeks, in Aboriginal Australians used as forced labor by European settlers, 1902

What is with the odd looking rib cages; I guess these are torture burn/whip marks, as they don’t look like regular ribs at all?

PugJesus,

I think it might be ritual scarification, but it could be torture marks as well. I’m not well-versed on this period or region of history.

Putykat,
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Look like scars

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar
T00l_shed,

Ah I was wondering as well if the scarification was a common practice amongst the aboriginal peoples of Australia. Thanks for that!

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