Yeah the boot process is a mess! Debian’s noisy GRUB and unsightly boot text is an obvious and unnecessary paint point for a desktop user but very desirable for server installations. You do have some options though!
The great thing about Debian, Linux, and FLOSS is that you can even automate downloading Debian’s source package when it gets updated, applying the silent patch, applying Ubuntu’s compilation options, compiling the deb, and installing the deb! But yeah why can some package maintainer not provide such as an option in the repository! It’s really an annoyance for many and almost makes me feel like I’m not the type of user the Debian community desires. Like, “Wait… what? You like pretty stuff? GTFO!” Maybe its even true? Hopefully you will enjoy using Debian! Its most preferable to Ubuntu in many ways these days!
Very interesting! Will save this. Thanks for mentioning it.
I think there are a lot of unsociable people in the linux community. I should know, I‘m autistic and also pathologically unsociable but even I am shocked at the amount of elitism and RTFMing that happens on a daily basis.
The difference I think is my self image is pretty ok and I dont need to be the greatest and most knowledgeable linux pro on the planet. Thats probably the only thing some folks have to their name.
You’re using refind, you need to specify the quiet splash parameters in refind config. You can do this every time you boot by manually editing the entry, for example if you want to test that editing this would work, or you can edit the config file with the boot parameters.
I don’t know how you have your refind configured, mine has a /boot/refind_linux.conf file where I can put the boot parameters, e.g. mine looks like this:
<span style="color:#323232;">"Boot with standard options" "rw root=/dev/nvme1n1p2"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"Boot to single-user mode" "rw root=/dev/nvme1n1p2 single"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"Boot with minimal options" "ro root=/dev/nvme1n1p2"
</span>
Here is my /boot/efi/EFI/refind/refind.conf file. I’ve only ever added the theme line at the very end. As a new linux user editing this scares me so any help from anyone editing this so that plymouth will work would be appreciated.
Sorry about that, I edited the comment to a pastebin link. Okay here is my /boot/refind_linux.conf file:
“Boot with standard options” “ro root=UUID=96e2ea68-742d-4309-ae9f-4d12ba668b21” “Boot to single-user mode” “ro root=UUID=96e2ea68-742d-4309-ae9f-4d12ba668b21 single” “Boot with minimal options” “ro root=/dev/nvme0n1p4”
Should I just edit the boot standard to “rw root=/dev/nvme0n1p4”
No, you should edit it to be something like “Boot with standard options” “ro root=UUID=96e2ea68-742d-4309-ae9f-4d12ba668b21 quiet splash” mine says /dev/nvme0n1p4 because that means device (/dev/) first nvme SSD controller (nvme0) disk number 1 (n1) partition 4 (p4). If yours worked with that line you copied from mine it’s only because coincidentally your / partition is the fourth partition on the first nvme SSD on your computer. (Or maybe because that config is not being used).
A question though, why do you want to use refind if you don’t know the basic about partitions and boot drives? I think you’d had a better experience using the default one which is GRUB.
Thank you! Changing the line to “rw root=/dev/nvme0n1p4 quiet splash” did the trick. Your actually said /dev/nvme1n1p2 so I know enough about partitions that I changed mine to dev/nvme0n1p4 to fit my case. I only know that much about it because I’m running a duel booted system and had to deal with partitioning when I set it up. Your right to point out that I’m a bit over my head when using refind, but I changed it instead of using grub because I like the customization with themes and I read somewhere that it could help with windows updates messing up duel booted systems.
edit: I’m now having a new problem where it’s not using the boot splash screen that I specified in the settings. It just the oem logo with a kubuntu logo under it. At least I’ve made some progress 😂
Cool, didn’t noticed you changed it to your actual partition, although I should have because there’s no reason for me to have 4 partitions on my disk. That being said using UUIDs for booting is better than device names, if you add or remove a drive the device name can change. In my case it’s a laptop and only has one name slot so I’m fairly sure it won’t change, plus I had to write that file manually when I first installed my system so I was lazy and used the device name, but you already seemed to have the proper UUID there, so changing it to the device seems a bit backwards.
GRUB is also customisable, although I agree that refind looks a lot nicer. I don’t think refind is any better than GRUB in dealing with Windows updates, the problem is that Windows has this annoying habit of formatting the MBR so it essentially wipes all other boot managers from the drive, which is why people recommend having windows in a different drive so it can’t fuck up your boot manager, but I know that’s not always a possibility.
As for the splash screen being wrong I can’t help you there, I actually like the checks scroll that’s the default without a splash screen so I’ve been using that for a while now.
Personally I’m holding out for a laptop based on the snapdragon elite X arm chips coming out later this year. Should be great for battery life (like 28 hours) and very fast. We’ll see how the linux support turns out. And also which manufacturers pick it up - would like framework but haven’t heard anything about that from them. Lenovo already released a system based on the old snapdragon chip so seems likely they’ll release one based on the elite X too.
Thanks so much! I never found that thread. Only another guy complaining about the same thing…I just ran the command, hopefully it won’t do that crap anymore.
My framework has been great, I’ve had no issues with it and I’m quite happy. Make sure to go with the matte screen though.
In saying that, I think I was happier with my thinkpad, but I have no good scientific reason for that, I suspect the nipple and keyboard are a big part of it.
Another happy Framework user here. I have 2 first gens in my immediate family and 2 second gens among my friends. All run Ubuntu LTS. No one is complaining. I’ve already replaced my bottom chassis because I destroyed it during a bad mishap. Ordering was easy, the part was inexpensive, the replacement was straightforward. A Dell XPS perhaps feels a bit better made, but then it doesn’t say Made in Taiwan on the bottom so there’s that. 😅
On the other hand System76 is building a new open source desktop environment in a sane programming language… 🤔 If COSMIC desktop turns out great and I end up using it, I’ll probably throw a couple of hundred their way in lieu of buy their laptop.
Thanks for a nice feedback. One more vote for Framework ;)
I don’t use a DE, so this would not make me go with them. Also, I’ll use Arch anyway, not PopOS.
Oh I now remembered that mine developed a problem with one of the USB ports, not a cartridge but the host port. Framework sent me a new board. I replaced it easily and sent the bad one to them.
I had a System76 10 years ago. The customer service was excellent (several months after receiving my laptop, they sent me a replacement keyboard, because they didn’t like the one it shipped with). The build quality was meh, it was a plastic body and didn’t hold up well to wear and tear, but it’s in my closet and still works. I haven’t tried their aluminum bodies.
I now have a Framework. It arrived with trackpad issues, and one of the HDMI adapters didn’t work at all. They shipped me replacements for both at no cost to me (except time). It’s been nice knowing that any other issues I do have can be replaced piecewise. Also I like that the webcam/mic have physical kill switches.
Very nice to read this feedback. I’m very sold to Framework after all the great things posted here. An impeccable customer support like the one you describe means a lot about a company.
If you’re willing to import, tuxedo computers is another great choice. I can personally vouch for framework but I’d caution if you’re looking for the 16, it’ll be a bit before they’re available. 13ish batches pre-ordered, with batch one shipping in a few weeks, it may take quite a bit to get. The 13 though is in stock and shouldn’t take too long to recieve
Edit: oh sorry, 13 inch is your preference. I’d strongly vouch for framework. I’d also say stay away from purism due to their scummy history on the phone if you care about that.
Sure do, though not for all the claims I’ll make here as that was from me obsessively watching the purism forumns and reddit over the 5 or so years this was going on. They promised a phone which most people didn’t get for five years. When it shipped the specs were not great especially for the already pricy cost they had it at. This, after quite heavily suggesting they were nearly good to go. When it came close to the end of waiting, they added a second option (no phones were in hands yet) to upgrade their order, at a cost, to skip the line and get it quicker. Suggesting that if it didn’t sell the company couldn’t ship the original either after taking money both from a crowdfunding campaign and their site. Though a few were eventually able to refund, they sneakily changed their policy to include “no refunds” when at time of purchase they stated clearly refunds would be available at request. There’s also been an issue with their laptops which were advertised as fully FOSS, etirely non-proprietary before eventually shipping with some proprietary software. All around, their customer service is terrible and their responces to allagations and critisism has been childish threats and legal attacks. All around bad group.
Wow. Yeah, that’s shady and shitty as hell. The cost was always enough to keep me away from them, but knowing they’re a shit company will make me sure to warn others off as well.
For me there is only two distros. They are Arch an Debian. But that is only me. I don’t think that any of those distros are overreted they just have their own user types and needs.
Sure, that is why we have defaults, but why force them? Why not create the defaults, and then allow the user to remove them if they wish?
You’re free to patch it out if you’re so inclined.
This is somewhat of a non-answer. Technically, yes, it is possible for a user to patch OSS as they see fit, but that does not excuse poor design desicions, nor is it necessarily fair to expect the user to do that.
Yup. I think I needed to manually install the touch keyboard. But once installed, it works as expected. Touch the screen or remove the physical keyboard, and touch mode gets activated. Whenever touching a text field, the soft keyboard pops out. It’s massive, though (well, about the same size as the one for Windows).
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