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troyunrau, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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When I was part of the KDE marketing working group, we always talked about 5% being the magic number. If we hit that, then the avalanche of ported and supported third party software starts. It’s a weird chicken and egg thing. Looks like we’re close!

markus99,

Its happening Troy

LeFantome, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%

I am not saying “This is the Year of the Linux Desktop”. That said, things languished below 2% for decades and now it has doubled in just over a year. With the state of Linux Gaming, I could see that happening again.

Also, if ChromeOS continues to converge, you could consider it a Linux distro at some point and it also has about 4% share.

Linux could exceed 10% share this year and be a clear second after Windows.

That leaves me wondering, what percentage do we have to hit before it really is “The Year of the Linux Desktop”. I have never had to wonder that before ( I mean, it obviously was not 3% ). Having to ask is a milestone in itself.

Parellius,

I’ve never been a Linux guy but recently I’ve switched to Pop!OS on my laptop and bought a Steam Deck. Other than a few teething issues with the laptop I’ve had a great experience and I wouldn’t consider myself ridiculously tech savvy. I’d absolutely consider switching my gaming PC over but my worry is loss of performance and being unable to use my game pass games. I’d be super happy if I could switch my PC over in the next couple of years.

InternetCitizen2,

Just finish out the gaming PCs life and evaluate a Linux one for the next buy.

Crozekiel,

Game pass is the one problem with no great solution in sight… But not great doesn’t mean none. If you have an Xbox you can play them on the pc streamed over your Lan, and you can also stream games directly from the web as well.

Again, not great solutions, but it is unlikely we will see Xbox game pass running on Linux. I think MS will do anything and everything to prevent that.

Then there’s the not-solution of running a windows vm. You aren’t ditching windows with that entirely and, at least from what I understand, you’ll need a second graphics card to dedicate to the vm to get “bare metal” performance.

jackpot,
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year of the linux desktop is based on how many third party apps are there, not how many people use it imo. they correlate and impact one another but arent the same

Spectacle8011,
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The equation for YotLD is simple for me:

Adobe looks at Linux market share and thinks, “Hmm, we could make some money from this,” and ports Photoshop, After Effects, and inDesign to Linux

Or:

Adobe looks at ChromeOS and thinks, “Hmm, we could make some money from this,” and ports all their programs to the web except After Effects because that involves massively extending web protocols again to support all the codecs and improving performance.

Patch,

ChromeOS can run native Linux apps, so realistically if Adobe wanted to support ChromeOS they’d probably go for a Linux port anyway. A lot less work than trying to reimplement every single UI from the ground up as a web interface.

Spectacle8011,
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So you’d think, but why else would Adobe bother developing a web version of Photoshop? Good to know, though.

Obviously it defeats piracy, but that argument doesn’t make sense if Adobe is still shipping a native version of Photoshop.

greencactus,

I wouldn’t say ChromeOS can be clarified as Linux for the sake of this number. While it of course is bases on the kernel, it still is in the hands of one company and definitely not free software. While we may talk about ChromiumOS, I would differentiate here for the sake of control over your OS.

Patch, (edited )

ChromeOS is as much Linux as anything else is. It’s controlled by a greedy megacorp, but so is Red Hat (IBM) or, idk, Oracle Linux. Yes it’s based on an unusual immutable design, but immutable distros are now cropping up out of lots of projects (Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu, amongst many others, not to mention the Steam Deck). It avoids using the GNU tool chain, but the alternatives that it uses are already used by other Linux distros (like Alpine). It now uses the standard Wayland graphics stack, and is in the process of moving from upstart (a previously widely used Linux init system) to systemd.

It’s hard to come up with a definition of “Linux distro” that excludes ChromeOS without excluding a bunch of unambiguously Linux distros too.

greencactus,

I think you raise an interesting point. I haven’t considered Red Hat Linux, but according to my definition this shouldn’t be Linux then… I still don’t think I feel fully comfortable calling it Linux, because a lot of stuff is watered down. Years ago I used Cloudready, and even though it was based on ChromeOS it used Flathub. I think for me that made a huge difference, because then I could install Steam, LibreOffice, Zoom and Firefox on my ChromiumOS laptop, without having to go through a Linux emulator. I still want to knoe why Google didn’t use this functionality in mainstream ChromeOS.

In the current version of ChromeOS, as far as I know, either you sideload Linux or Google completely controls all app stores. For me that is a fundamental conflict with the promise of freedom and user control that Linux gives - with a simple sudo you can be lord of the world. I think your comment made me realize that that ChromeOS cannot be called not Linux, because it clearly has similarities. But Red Hat doesn’t control your way of getting new apps. For me that is a major difference. Ultimately one could raise a point that MacOS is also Linux, because it uses Darwin - and so I think we need to use different definitions than just a pure “we share same technical basis”.

Patch, (edited )

Ultimately one could raise a point that MacOS is also Linux, because it uses Darwin

There’s no basis for calling MacOS Linux. There’s a legitimate basis for calling it BSD, as Darwin was forked from FreeBSD, but BSD and Linux aren’t directly related. Also, Darwin has diverged considerably from FreeBSD, and only a small amount of the stack outside of the kernel shares any code, so it’s not necessarily meaningful to think of it as a “FreeBSD distro” in the same sense as you would ChromeOS a Linux distro (which uses, as I mentioned in my previous comment, a more-or-less standard Linux technology stack).

In the current version of ChromeOS, as far as I know, either you sideload Linux or Google completely controls all app stores

ChromeOS lets you install Linux native applications out of the box, although it does so in containers (Crostini, which I believe is based on LXD, another standard Linux technology stack). Once you enable Linux apps, it automatically hooks you up to the Debian repositories, and you can install using apt like you would on any other Debian install.

Whether you consider Crostini to be “sideloading Linux” is a matter of semantics, but fundamentally it’s no different from installing containerised LXD/LXC apps on Ubuntu or whatever, which is a common use case for developers and production servers.

For me that is a fundamental conflict with the promise of freedom and user control that Linux gives - with a simple sudo you can be lord of the world.

I think you’re making an argument for why it’s a bad Linux distro (from a certain perfectly valid point of view), but not that it’s not a Linux distro.

There are few if any other distros which are as locked down ChromeOS out of the box, but all Linux distros can be locked down, and if you’ve ever used a corporate provisioned machine in a workplace or education setting then odds are you won’t have any admin freedoms regardless of the distro chosen. Sudoer privileges is something you might have on your own home machine, but not something that you can expect on every Linux machine. Even on devices you own, there are devices that you might buy (such as wifi routers, DVD players, smart TVs) which run standard Linux but which are as locked down (and more) than a Chromebook; it’s just that most people don’t expect to have unrestricted sudo privileges on their router in the same way as they do a laptop.

For the record, I am not a Chromebook fan. I owned one once for a few years, and thought it was a disappointing, artificially limited experience, and I don’t intend to have one again. ChromeOS is not my idea of a good Linux distro. But I’ll still argue firmly that it is a Linux distro in all ways that matter.

greencactus,

I think you have raised an excellent point, which also led me to reconsider my thoughts. Truly, when you argue with my definition, a Fedora workstation in an enterprise where an end user cannot install apps shouldn’t be considered Linux, because the end user isn’t able to install apps on it. A few of the points you raised (e.g. LXD) I haven’t even known existed. But I e.g. use Fedora Silverblue, and with Toolbox you can emulate a Ubuntu distro. Should then Silverblue be not considered a Linux distro because it doesn’t offer installing native packages by itself? That would be a risky argument to make. So in the end, I thank you for the points you raised. You have led me to reconsider the topic. I especially didn’t knew that Crostini was based on a Linux stack, I always thought that it was a side-loaded emulator which “replaced” ChromeOS - which even isn’t logical, as I now see. So thank you, I learned something new from today and will pay more attention to see ChromeOS not as something distinct from Linux, but just as a distro with a “Google-y touch” on it. Especially now with ChromeFlex, where you can install it on every PC with a processor => toaster, it has truly become a Linux distro.

ILikeBoobies, in New Linux user here. Is this really how I'm supposed to install apps on Linux?
randy, (edited ) in Is there any way to emulate aegis authenticator (fdroid) on an ubuntu based computer?

At a glance, it looks like Aegis generates standard TOTP tokens, which means there’s a lot of software that can do the same thing, so you don’t need to emulate Aegis. I use pass-otp (an extension to pass), but that’s command-line-only, and a lot to deal with if you’re not already using pass. From a quick search, it looks like Keysmith and OTPClient are decent graphical alternatives. From another quick search, OTPClient is available in Ubuntu 23.10.

Edit: Re-reading your post, your issue is that you don’t like logging in on your phone, right? But Aegis just provides the code, you should be able to use the code from your phone to log in on your computer. TOTP codes are only affected by the secret values and the current time, so the code generated on your phone can be used on any device.

BlanK0, (edited ) in Linux reaches new high 3.82%

Nice, lets keep the moment going. Another great year for Linux and open source.

canis_majoris, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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I’M DOING MY PART!

Garuda for gaming and Silverblue for work.

MamaVomit, (edited ) in Is there any way to emulate aegis authenticator (fdroid) on an ubuntu based computer?
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I don’t understand the scenario here. Typically, you only need the TOTP (time-based one-time password) from your 2FA app, enter it on your computer, and you can use the computer to access your resources. The app itself is actually not even supposed to be on the same device, as an added layer of security.

It sounds like you need 2FA to run your company’s VPN (is that correct?). On your computer, you would launch the VPN, it’ll ask you for the TOTP (which you get from Aegis on your phone), and then you’re logged in and able to access company resources (on your computer).

EddyBot, (edited ) in Is there any way to emulate aegis authenticator (fdroid) on an ubuntu based computer?

you can just use any other OTP application on Linux like gitlab.gnome.org/World/Authenticator or apps.kde.org/keysmith/, they all follow the same protocol
you can export your keys in Aegis and import them in most applications

sserdarth,

Of course there is a KDE app that is feature packed and beautiful and no live being has heard or known about.

kariboka,

Hahahaha so true

poissonDistribution, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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If adobe would be willing to port its creative suite to linux that number would increment faster

possiblylinux127, (edited )

We have Gimp and kdenlive. What else could you possibly need.

Edit: Just to clarify this was only a half serious comment

Snoopy,
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Well, i got some feedback, most creative people don’t find gimp good, they won’t switch.

Well dunno if it’s because gimp lacks good tool that ease up their workflow or because we teached them adobe suite.

During my art course it was : adobe suite and autocad with 3d max.

But i knew blender, gimp and scribus way before entering art school because i disagree with adobe’s licensing system and found it very expensive.

Imho, the current best creative software on linux is Blender. There is also Darktable and Rawtepee for light, contrast.

For inkscape, krita, i can’t compare, i never used adobe illustrator, nor corel drawer.

Scribus is good, almost perfect but it lacks a very important feature that i can’t replicate. Adobe Indesign is far more easier because of the guideline that tell ya this item is correctly aligned and has the same size.

Kdenlive, well featured but i find adding video effect easier on adobe premiere pro. And kdenlive had a lot stability issue, i lost my work several time and that’s how i learned to setup automated save.

Autocad easily outmatched freecad, there were a huge difference in functionnalities. I don’t know if it has changed since 10 years. It probably improved a lot.

I apologize for my english grammar.

Spectacle8011,
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I know this is probably tongue-in-cheek, but if you wanted the serious answer:

GIMP:

  • Non-destructive Editing (it’s coming real soon!)
  • Vector shapes, not bitmap
  • Smart objects
  • Full CMYK support
  • Full PSD support (for collaboration purposes), hahaha
  • KILL ALL FLOATING SELECTIONS

Kdenlive:

Well, I actually do use Kdenlive. I’m fine with Lightworks too, and Resolve on macOS. But it’s lacking finer color grading controls, the interface is inefficient (being fixed in a future release), hardware-based decoding/encoding needs to either exist or be improved.

And the other big reason is collaboration with other Adobe users.

mexicancartel,

Personally I don’t want people to switch to linux without caring about software freedom. I mean it might be nice to run adobe software in linux but I will not use it, and such softwares have same problems like “windows” which we are switching away from. They are proprietary programs from corporations which doesn’t even satisfy freedom 0.

BreakDecks,

I didn’t care about software freedom very much until after I switched to Linux, so I’ll keep recommending Linux to anyone willing to listen.

mexicancartel, (edited )

Well yes. I agree reccomending linux to others. But if the only reason someone isn’t switching linux is because some proprietary app doesnt support it, i don’t see they will care about free software later on. Also not everyone are like you and me, and may use linux without caring about software freedom at all.(I have a friend who uses google chrome AND edge)

BreakDecks,

I guess part of software freedom, for me, is that I don’t care what other people choose to do, I just use and recommend Linux and other open source software wherever I can.

Absolutely wild that you’d purity test people and recommend against them using Linux just because they wouldn’t be using it for the reason you want them to…

mexicancartel,

I am not against people using linux for some other reason but I don’t want to promote linux just for people to use proprietary software. They could, but i am not interested in them and does feel useless if its not for software freedom. (That doesnt mean i am against people using them)

Btw if you dont know, software freedom is not about using whatever software you need. Its about a software that gives you the four essential freedoms

BreakDecks,

Linux is useless except for software freedom.

Alright, I take it back. With a sales pitch this bad, it’s maybe a good thing for you to hold back on the Linux evangelism.

RandomVideos,

I started caring about foss software only after i switched to linux

mexicancartel,

I mean If you have all thoose proprietary apps availiable in linux, you probably wouldnt be introduced to foss apps. You probably keep on using the proprietary software you used in windows

MushuChupacabra, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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I just ditched my old Windows 10 PC for a raspberry pi 5, and am running KDE Plasma.

It’s refreshing to have an operating system that doesn’t suggestive sell to me.

possiblylinux127,

That seems like a odd choice. Raspberry pis are limited and require the raspberry pi kernel and proprietary binaries.

Couldn’t you have just install Linux mint on your PC and called it a day? It would likely have better performance.

MushuChupacabra,
@MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world avatar

It was a specific choice. My PC is a little long in the tooth, sucks power, and is overly loud for where it was situated.

The pi is doing fine for my relatively non-demanding usage. If I do set up the old PC again, I’ll probably wind up installing Mint or something, rather than buy upgrades and crap to support Windows 11.

irmoz, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%

What happened March-May?

SnotFlickerman, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology

Considering their methodology, I wonder how many of these are Steam Decks registering as “desktops” when they visit a website in the web broweser?

Fizz, (edited )
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I would consider the steamdeck to be a linux desktop if someone is browsing the internet on it.

SnotFlickerman, (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I agree, but it’s definitely marketed as a gaming console of a sort, and not really marketed as a full-fledged PC.

So, imho, that technically skewers the numbers a bit, as it’s not a “desktop” in the traditional sense.

I mean, I’m still not calling 2023 the “Year of the Linux Desktop.” I’m calling it the “Year of the Portable Linux Gaming Console.”

The growth in percentage in Linux in Steam metrics is almost entirely because the Steam Deck.

Mouette,

You cant be sure, Valve pushing Steam Deck and Proton is what made me switch to Linux as lot of games now works but I haven’t bought a Steam deck

tsl,
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As stated from official Valve’s page www.steamdeck.com/en/oled

“Use your Deck as a PC, because it is one.” So Valve did market it as a PC and it’s one of the reasons I bought one more than a year ago. And it’s really my desktop (that I bring with me to places occasionally)c

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

When you are using the steamdeck in handheld mode there is no web browser unless configured from desktop mode. The desktop on the steamdeck is no different to my computer therefore I don’t think it’s fair to wave it off as a console. It’s far closer to a pc than a console.

SnotFlickerman, (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s far closer to a pc than a console.

Ehhh, you have to spend money on a decent dock to be able to use it with any consistency as a desktop. Sure, software-wise, it’s not a console, it plays PC games.

However, it’s physical form factor is a console. It looks and functions out of the box far more like a Nintendo Switch than a IBM ThinkPad.

It’s literally a gamepad with a screen and no keyboard or mouse. So despite being a PC platform, I would still consider this a “console,” based on outward-facing form factor alone, personally.

Fizz,
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That’s a fair point. Since we are talking about linux os share, the software that’s running on the device is more important to me than the form factor. What’s running on my steamdeck is so close to what’s running on my desktop pc that when I’m browsing the web on my steamdeck I’d consider myself browsing on linux rather than browsing on specifcally steam os.

silvercove,

Which is still good.

BlanK0, in Thoughts on this?

I have been using Wayland on void for a while and have no particular issue with it. There is screen sharing on stuff like zoom that isn’t working at the moment (unless you use gnome) which is a bit annoying but not really serious enough to force a change to xorg. Also Wayland has more clean code then xorg and I do like the potential it has, specially when it comes to security.

Nothing against xorg, if you can use Wayland its better imo but otherwise xorg is fine as well.

PuddingFeeling907, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%
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Let’s go! It’s always great to see people wrestle control back from the corporations.

Ramin_HAL9001, in Linux reaches new high 3.82%

I wonder if that dip in Windows in April, going down to like 62%, and the correlated boost for “Uknown” operating systems to 13% might somehow simply be Windows not being recognized properly and categorized as unknown?

It seems a bit far-fetched to me that a bunch of Windows users would for 1 month suddenly all decide to use ReactOS, FreeDOS, BSD, Solaris, Illumos, Haiku, Redox, and Plan 9.

mexicancartel,

Yeah probably some chrome update which made statscounter to fail to determine the OS, probably

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