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Cwilliams, in Could 2024 be the year of the diagonal linux desktop?

Someone please tell me how to do this on Wayland. “c/unixporn, here I come!”

MiddledAgedGuy, (edited ) in Does Wayland really break everything? (Nate Graham's OG post ref'd in the Phoronix article)

Wayland != X11

Not 100% feature compatible != broken.

My opinion and also a TL;DR: of the article.

vrighter,

“that thing you used to do is now impossible to do consistently across different implementations, if at all. But it’s all ok, because we have decided it’s not our responsibility!”

That is not what users want to hear. From a user’s point of view, it is broken.

MiddledAgedGuy, (edited )

I see what you’re getting at. It’s a matter of perspective, I guess.

If you presented someone with a list of features from two similar but different pieces of software, they wouldn’t say software b is broken because it’s featureset is different from software a, right? But I acknowledge it’s not that straightforward. It’s more like telling them software b is going to replace software a that you’re currently using, get ready to say goodbye to some features.

I still don’t consider wayland broken, but I understand argument that it is.

vrighter,

yes, if i combare kicad with blender, neither is broken because they have different features. But also, nobody is telling users that kicad’s days are over and it should be replaced by blender. If they did, and a user wanted to design a circuit board, the user is out of luck. The user is told that it is a replacement. From the user’s point of view it most definitely is not.

The probeem isn’t just that wayland doesn’t do everything x does. But that users are told that it will replace x, deal with it and quit complaining.

We have to keep in mind that the fact that we know what wayland is in the first place puts us squarely into the “technical user” category, not regular users. Regular users are the ones who don’t even know (nor should they have to care) what wayland even is

MiddledAgedGuy, in Could 2024 be the year of the diagonal linux desktop?

Two facts:

  1. I love people doing weird things with tech.
  2. I absolutely hate this.
MorganCS, in Could 2024 be the year of the diagonal linux desktop?

Nope.

slembcke, (edited ) in Does Wayland really break everything? (Nate Graham's OG post ref'd in the Phoronix article)

I’ve been using Wayland daily for a few years (2020 at least?) on intel and AMD graphics and have had few complaints:

  1. Some games didn’t work right a few years ago. (Under Proton or otherwise. Haven’t had issues for a while)
  2. RenderDoc, a vital bit of graphics debugging software, works poorly on Wayland. (Easy fix is to force X11 for QT via QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb)
  3. Had some issues with mixed integrated/NVidia graphics on a laptop I was using for a demo once.
  4. Covering or otherwise hiding a Wayland window blocks a program’s graphics thread. This is sometimes problematic.
  5. VR development had issues a while ago? (This was for work. It just… stopped working at some point. Dunno if it was a Linux, SteamVR, or Unity3D issue. My work machine mostly runs Windows 10 now as a result. Oh well.)
  6. Screen recording didn’t work well a while ago… (continued)

Overall, it’s just worked great though!

My anti-complaints:

  1. Mixed refresh rates on monitors “just works” now. (I have a 1080@144 for gaming, and a 4k@60 for work)
  2. Video frames don’t have half drawn content. (ex: when resizing windows), except on XWayland stuff
  3. Video tearing has basically disappeared.
  4. Video timing issues seem to be improved.
  5. Input handling for keyboard layouts has improved.
  6. Screen recording in Wayland is way better than it ever was on X11 now. I do this a lot to share gamedev stuff I’m working on.
F04118F, in I'm looking for a command that is similar to cpupower, but for gpu (or even both -- gpupower?systempower?)

Corectrl is pretty cool, works on my all-AMD laptop with iGOU and dGPU

DrRatso, in I didn't know where else to ask this, if there is another comm i should ask please lmk. Do you have any suggestions for wireless headphones i can use with linux?

At 80 I would urge you to consider wired again or save up. Otherwise I would look for the cheapest amazon / ali headset you can find a decent review online (off amazon) for.

Frederic, in Bilocker'd partition on dual boot drive

In windows, save the recovery key (to an external USB key for instance), it is a text file. Then in Linux double click the partition in Thunar or your file manager and it will ask you for the key.

bia, in Could 2024 be the year of the diagonal linux desktop?

Thanks, I hate it!

wgs, in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?
@wgs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Void linux.

I used arch for a couple years, then crux for over 10 years, so I though Void would be a great distro when the systemd drama occured. Tried that, and noped the hell out of it…

  • creating/maintaining packages is a pain
  • the dev team was awful with newcomers
  • system couldn’t handle more than a couple weeks without updates
  • it’s an arch wannabe that doesn’t admit it, making it a worse alternative
TootSweet, in Gentoo goes Binary (packages)

Heretics! The true chosen use Exherbo!

(No, seriously, this is fine. And there’s nothing keeping people from doing full source-based still.)

REdOG, in Gentoo goes Binary (packages)
@REdOG@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been a Gentoo user since 2004 or so and used to crosscompile binaries in like 2006 for all of my systems including some sparc and ppc builds on my main servers. It was glorious. I adore Gentoo for portage and the ability to dream up a set of OS decisions and then actually do it, dog food and all. I’ll probably never not have some form of a Gentoo system within reach but mostly for nostalgic reasons but VMs and containers now fill my needs.

neidu2, in Could 2024 be the year of the diagonal linux desktop?

Redcalcium provided a much better link. I’ve edited my post accordingly.

ITeeTechMonkey, in Bilocker'd partition on dual boot drive

If you don’t need/want Bitlocker simply boot into Windows go into the bitlocker settings and turn off bitlocker (dont use suspend as bitlocker will be re-enabled the next time you boot into Windows). You will need to wait for Bitlocker to decrypt before shutting down - there will be a small status window that appears showing the progress and it shouldn’t take too long.

speck,

Thank you! I think part of what I'm curious to hear input on is whether I should disable bitlocker for that shared data partition. Any thoughts? Is it a best practice to have it on?

ITeeTechMonkey, (edited )

If you keep Bitlocker enabled on that partition you will have to enter the recovery key everytime you boot into your Linux partition. Since you don’t have that key backed up you’ll need to turn it off and then re-enable it if you wish to continue to use Bitlocker.

If you manually enable bitlocker you will be prompted to back up the key with a few different options: to a file (but if I recall you’ll need to save the file to a drive that isn’t be encrypted by Bitlocker) or to a Microsoft account.

To answer your question regarding best practice, Full Disk Encryption is best practice. Now to achieve that in Windows you use Bitlocker, Linux there is Luks, and macOS has filevault.

If your machine isn’t going anywhere outside your home then it’s not as big of a deal if the drive isn’t encrypted.

Regarding your situation FDE is going to be a bit of a pain whether you use Bitlocker or Luks. I suggest using db2’s suggestion and run a VM creating a shared folder between host and guest. Then you can encrypt the entire drive using the best encryption tool for the host OS (which I suggest be Linux).

Edit: Replaced the ‘b’ with a space between “db2’s” and “suggestion”

speck,

I appreciate the additional info. Since I want to make Linux primary (one of my two main points in this little project is getting familiar with Linux!), I'll look into Luks for that partition

The db2 / vm suggestion is a little over my head, currently, but I'll research that as well!

BunnyKnuckles,
@BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website avatar

Also, bitlocker is not the only disk encryption software for Windows. It’s just the built in one. If you wanted, you could use something like Veracrypt which is open source and will play nicely with all your OSes.

snekerpimp, in I'm looking for a command that is similar to cpupower, but for gpu (or even both -- gpupower?systempower?)

radeontop?

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Cpupower can both show cpu info -and- tweak it, so nope. Not really.

Thanks for your input tho.

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