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cerement, (edited ) in wayland, not even once
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

someone jonesing for their daily Windows 11 advertising dosage

safefel556, (edited )

Why would i advertise windows if i’m defending x11 you fucking retard. People who spread fud about x11 and blindly advocate for wayland are the ones who want to sabotage linux and make it unusable.

WallEx,

Oh, you’re conservative, that makes sense. You just want the things to stay the way they are. I mean, it’s the opposite of progress, but there are a lot of people like this.

anyhow2503,

People who spread fud about x11

Who does that? X11 is ancient. It’s a known variable in every possible way. How would you spread FUD about it?

In reality the ones who advocate for Wayland the most are the people who used to thanklessly maintain X…

sebsch, in wayland, not even once

Let Wayland not destroy everything and then have other people fix the damage it caused.

Here I stopped reading. This can’t be more then a salty bullshit post with nothing than unfair assumptions.

db2,

The only one that really might have some merit is the argument about portability.

hunger,
@hunger@programming.dev avatar

Small communities have a hard time staying up to date. X11 was ported decades ago, when non Linux OSes had more mind share and commercial backing. I doubt anyone could port X11 if that was the new thing mainly developed on Linux today.

omgitsaheadcrab, in wayland, not even once

Who are these strange anti Wayland people?

safefel556,

Actual users who always get censored and banned by moderators who also happen to be red hat employees

the_q,

No. Just no.

db2, (edited )

Bullshit.

I’m no fan of redhat, haven’t been since Mandrake, but dude put down the tinfoil.

WallEx,

What are you actually talking about? This sound like a conspiracy theory about protocols, where’s your head at?

flx,

Are these Red Hat employee moderators in the room with us?

safefel556,

Yes

HumanPenguin, (edited )
@HumanPenguin@feddit.uk avatar

You seem to use the word censor a lot. For someone who who clearly has no idea what freedom of speech means.

Let me give you a clue. Your freedom of speech in no way forces others to provide you with a platform. Just governments not to silence you. Private citizens running web sites are not governments. So have no obligation to support your ideals.

When private community moderators do not want to deal with the opinions you push. They are not removing anything from you. You are failing to sell your ideals in a way that appeals to the people you are trying to force your ideas upon.

If you want to communicate with no limits. Host your own community on your own instance. And hope you do not piss off enough people to be de federated.

the_q,

Nvidia users mostly.

eager_eagle,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

as an NVIDIA user myself, I identify myself more as anti-NVIDIA than anti-Wayland

the_q,

Yeah I get that. Nvidia is a crappy company.

safefel556, in Firefox Is Going To Try And Ship With Wayland Enabled By Default
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  • safefel556,

    concise list of criticisms
    “ramblings”

    This is why wheyland is destined to fail. The fact that criticisms can be dismissed as ramblings explains a lot of things.

    danielton,

    This is a rambling of how Wayland supposedly forces everybody to use GNOME, which is BS.

    The rant even includes an admission that the author didn’t even know what Wayland was when it was written.

    RTRedreovic,

    Judging by post & history. They are just a troll. As for this article. I don’t understand why anyone bothers sharing it. It is one of the most hot garbage ones I have seen. Most of this article gives arguments that are either old, have no relevance here or are just plainly cherrypicked (the jitsi one for example, open the link and see the last comment, that they quoted). Most things are also application side issue with no relevance for wayland devs. “Oh my app does not work in wayland? Must be wayland’s fault!” This is a rubbish logicless argument. If one wants to not use Wayland, they are welcome. But things like “Boycott Wayland” are irritating to those who do want to use Wayland because they know how Xorg is.

    Lojcs,

    Oh my app does not work in wayland? Must be wayland’s fault!

    Aka Python 3 isn’t Turing complete

    danielton,

    Please add more examples to the list.

    How about an example of Wayland forcing me to use GNOME like this rant alleges? I hate GNOME but have been using KDE with Wayland for like two years now.

    Flaky,
    @Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Same. Not to mention that there’s window managers in development if people prefer that. Some examples I know include Sway for those who want something like i3, Wayfire for those who miss Compiz and Hyprland for a more polished tiled experience. Hyprland in particular I’d recommend as I’ve personally had no luck with X.org compositors like Picom - didn’t work with my GPU.

    redcalcium,

    The one that bother me the most about Wayland is the future of *BSD desktop. Can you run Wayland on NetBSD/FreeBSD yet? Also, currently you can run x server on Mac so you can run X11 apps remotely for example. Is there any attempt to make waypipe work on MacOS?

    Audacity9961,

    Yes, FreeBSD already allows running Wayland. On my FreeBSD box, I have run it just fine.

    OpenBSD are also working towards it.

    I’m not sure about NetBSD.

    Audacity9961,

    FreeBSD runs Wayland just fine. I run it on one of my boxes.

    OpenBSD is also working on Wayland support.

    NetBSD I’m unsure of, as their development pace is quite slow.

    theshatterstone54,

    Literally just posted a response to this article: feddit.uk/post/4608014

    cypherpunks,
    @cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

    it’s weird how this gist was updated 3 hours ago but still contains lots of claims that haven’t been accurate for years

    leo,
    @leo@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show avatar

    Seems they need some updates. OBS, Zoom and Xfce are all happy to work toward Wayland, and OBS/Zoom both work pretty well on it, so 🤷

    And no telling what else has changed since; checks notes; 2016?

    Lulzagna,

    Obs works fine for me, what’s the issue,?

    eager_eagle,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    last i checked (a week ago) screen capture in OBS wasn’t working on Wayland KDE

    PainInTheAES,

    It’s been working for a while unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean by screen capture. But I’ve been using OBS on KDE Wayland capturing via portals for months now with issues.

    Ineocla,

    It works. You simply need the kde portal and pipewire installed

    zurohki,

    I just tried it. Create a “Screen capture (PipeWire)” source, there’s a popup asking you to pick a display or “Full Workspace” which shares everything.

    leo,
    @leo@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show avatar

    There really isn’t one. Wayland is maturing and app support is following.

    This is the way things always go in open source. I’m betting soon there will be a distro that will announce a never Wayland stance just like Devuan prior.

    Rustmilian, (edited ) in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar
    1. You’re uninformed (highly debatable)
    2. You’re uninformed (It’s right fuckin there)
    3. You’re uninformed (It’s not immutable)
    kzhe, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

    Who likes Ubuntu? Snap is terrible & they’re forcing it down our throats in a way that is reminiscent to Edge on Windows.

    01adrianrdgz,
    @01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

    I love Ubuntu so much :3 and I’m very happy that Canonical has worked with Microsoft and Google, Linux is becoming a liked kernel and operating system!! ^u^

    drwankingstein, (edited ) in Question about RMM remote support on Wayland.

    this is probably actually the fault of wayland and it’s fragmentation issue. Various wayland compositors have different methods of interacting with them and this includes remote/virtual input. Because of this fragmentation a lot of developers have just started to kinda give up, on wayland.

    for this one specifically, I would assume any virtual input would work? there are a couple possible routes forwards, the easiest is probably using XDG’s RemoteDesktop. However not every compositor implements this, Sway will be getting it soon (or already has it using luminous). There are also numerous compositors that don’t support this.

    you have wlr-virtual-{pointer,keyboard} which works on sway and mir, and thats it. I believe there was a compositor that could do this over dbus too?

    the reality of wayland is, if it’s not in the core protocol, you aren’t guranteed to have support, and if it is in the core protocol, you still arent guranteed to have support, but the chances are better

    TxTechnician,

    Awesome, thanks for the info.

    TxTechnician,

    So, it turns out that my RMM is working fine under Wayland. Level got back with me because they couldn’t reproduce the problem. So I tried to reproduce the problem. Only to find it is working just fine. Whatever was causing that problem, I have no idea. But it’s gone.

    drwankingstein,

    interesting, do you know what they were using for input? if they have an encompassing solution that could be great. if they just use xdg remotedesktop, well thats about what I have now anyways T.T

    TxTechnician,

    No clue. But they are a pretty solid company. Small, responsive, and inexpensive.

    Each pc costs $1/month, Min $20/month.

    They have only terminal and file browsing for Linux now. But gui interface is on the road map.

    Hope they get that soon.

    drwankingstein,

    interesting ill have to look into it

    penquin, in Today I discovered Garuda's BTRFS assistant and it's a total game changer.

    Is there a difference between this and timshift/timeshift autosnap/grub-btrfs?

    Holzkohlen,

    Timeshift forces you to use a very specific layout of btrfs partitions or whatever those are called. On Fedora.for instance, unless you set them up manually, Timeshift will not work. Snapper isn’t so picky.

    penquin,

    I never had to set it up. I use endeavour OS and all I did was choose “btrfs” in the installer. That’s it. I just installed timeshift after that and ran it like normal. No issues. Installed auto snap and grub-btrfs and I’m in the races.

    Unkend, in State of the Nvidia open source driver in late 2023?

    1 to 2 years is what the Nouveau Dev’s said, if you want a Driver that just works.

    Audacity9961,

    Even then it is 200 series and up. 100 and back through to 900 will still not just work at this stage.

    ElectroLisa, in Copy this code and paste it in the CLI. And no, it's not a forkbomb.
    @ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Ye run this script which uses GCC and launches compiled result, what could possibly go wrong

    const_void, in Question about RMM remote support on Wayland.

    What is rmm?

    funkajunk,
    @funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

    Remote monitoring and management

    TxTechnician,

    Remote management and monitoring software. I run an msp

    maniel, (edited )

    What’s MSP? I bet it’s a popular abbreviation in your profession but Google says it means Member of the Scottish Parliament

    Got it, Managed Service Provider

    tvcvt,

    It’s managed service provider, which translates more or less to a company that handles IT for other companies.

    kadu, (edited ) in gamescope through the heroic launcher is WAY better than steam
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

    GameScope is mostly targeted towards the Steam Deck, where it works perfectly fine natively.

    kittenzrulz123, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android

    I’ll address all your points

    1. It’s just GNOME but slightly modified
    2. How? Gnome includes a terminal that technically exists (even if slow)
    3. Just use sudo

    As for the differences

    1. Ubuntu is open source (Android =/= AOSP)
    2. Sudo is enabled
    3. Ubuntu repository
    4. Gnome is a proper desktop (and can even be a traditional desktop with extensions)
    5. Can be heavily modified
    6. Telemetry can be disabled
    7. The most controversial feature (snaps) can be removed
    8. Ubuntu uses the standard Linux kernel
    9. It’s a desktop operating system
    10. It’s not owned by a multi billion dollar ad company
    drwankingstein,

    (Android =/= AOSP)

    can you elaborate on this? this is the first i’ve heard this take. rather I would say Android =/= gservices

    kittenzrulz123,

    Android generally refers to a complete Android system that includes Google software and services along with additional OEM bloat. Meanwhile ASOP is extremely bare bones and parts of it are being abandoned.

    drwankingstein,

    I guess AOSP is barebones, but it’s not like anything is being abandoned that matters, AOSP itself is still alive, kicking, and thriving. Interesting to hear that people consider Android, AOSP + proprietary bits. It’s not something i’ve used myself

    Markaos,
    @Markaos@lemmy.one avatar

    Interesting to hear that people consider Android, AOSP + proprietary bits.

    Google owns the Android trademark, and they won’t let you officially call any OS that doesn’t meet their requirements Android. And their requirements include Gapps among other things. That means AOSP is not Android.

    sharkfucker420, in change my mind: Ubuntu does the same thing as Android
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    Google

    Rustmilian, (edited ) in Question about RMM remote support on Wayland.
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Wayland imposes new rules, and one of those rules being that programs can’t arbitrarily access keystrokes and mouse input. This is done to protect against keyloggers as they are used by malicious actors to gain a bevy of information like passwords, banking information, personal information, etc.
    I’m unsure if it’s Firefox, the RMM or both, but the necessary permissions aren’t granted and that’s why it’s not working.

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