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dramaticcat, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article

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  • TheGrandNagus,

    Been on it since 2016. No issues.

    Cope and seethe.

    malgredecanard,

    Yeah, people are trying to make Wayland work so hard… Thanks to the open source community behind it but let’s be honest: Wayland is badly designed and coded.

    After 10 years I can still not share my screen easily, always need to switch to X11.

    Wayland are for little hobbyist kids who want to have fun with Linux, not people who need to do actual stuff.

    If Wayland was doing half of the work it should be doing then we would adopt it. But it’s just bad software and brining all of Linux down with it.

    Communist,
    @Communist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wayland is not poorly designed or coded, screensharing works perfectly as long as the apps properly support wayland.

    That’s not a problem with waylands design or code, that’s a problem with apps design or code, the thing you may want to take issue with is the notion that we could change things like this while still being poorly supported generally.

    flying_sheep,
    @flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wayland isn’t coded at all, it’s a protocol, so clearly you know nothing.

    dan, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    I’m pretty familiar with Linux server management, but haven’t ran Linux on the desktop in a very long time (I still remember the days of XFree86, which was the predecessor to X.org). If I install a mainstream desktop distro today (Ubuntu, Mint, whatever is popular now), does it come with X11 or Wayland out-of-the-box?

    eskimofry,

    Depends on which out-of-the-box DE support it

    Ullebe1,

    Depends on which DE in which version it is using, but anything with recent Gnome (Fedora, Ubuntu) will. Not sure if KDE distros generally default to it, and for more niche DEs the answer is probably “no”, unless it was explicitly made for Wayland.

    LeFantome,

    I think GNOME is the only Wayland-first DE at the moment. KDE may go Wayland-only with Plasma 6 next year.

    Most other environments are still X for the moment though most of the major ones are starting to at least implement Wayland.

    There are Wayland only options like Hyperland, Sway, and Velox now too.

    finestnothing, in Applications to reduce mouse usage

    Go full emacs and use eww to browse the web within emacs. Bonus points that it lives in an emacs buffer so you can switch/split between buffers easily

    jokeyrhyme, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article
    @jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wayland breaks global hotkeys: I present to you: Hyprland (where you can get global hotkeys). Now, it is normally not allowed by design, as a security measure

    Not disagreeing at all, but I’d like to add some information here to support your correction

    There’s a GlobalShortcuts portal ( flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/docs/-… ), and this is implemented for hyprland in xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland ( github.com/hyprwm/…/hyprland.portal#L3 )

    So, technically, there is nothing in the wayland collection of protocols that supports global keyboard shortcuts, but (along with lots of other supporting functionality), this is addressed via the collection of portal APIs

    As it happens, KDE already supports the GlobalShortcuts portal: invent.kde.org/plasma/…/kde.portal#L3

    Any desktop can provide an implementation of the GlobalShortcuts portal, and any app can adopt it as required (although if it’s implemented within popular toolkits/frameworks, then app developers won’t have to even think about it)

    Here are related tracking issues:

    yum13241, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article

    Add screensavers or take X11 out of my cold, dead hands. I don’t use a CRT but still like screensaver since it prevents me from having to wait 5 years for my screen to turn on.

    dukatos,

    Found AOC user :)

    yum13241,

    Wdym AOC

    dukatos,

    AOC monitor. It takes ages to wake up.

    yum13241,

    Nah. I’m using the built in monitor on my craptop.

    x3i, (edited ) in Enabling Bluetooth on Arch Linux

    This is one of the reasons why I am very unsure about the whole archinstall thing. On the one hand, it lowers the barrier of entry for less techy people, which is always good. On the other hand, it allows for installing the OS without ever having to use the archwiki, which leads to people making a blog post like this that could be solved by looking for “bluetooth” in the archwiki and following the instructions. To somebody not familiar with the OS, this makes it seem like arch is much more complicated than it actually is. “To run arch, you have to hope that there is a blog post or youtube video for simple things like bluetooth!”

    No, you simply go here: wiki.archlinux.org(Also very useful resource if you are on any other distro btw)

    luthis,

    There is an archinstall script??

    noodlejetski,
    Synthead,

    To run arch, you have to hope that there is a blog post or youtube video for simple things like bluetooth!

    Or know what systemd is

    luthis,

    Systemd is amazing. Every user should at least know the basics.

    lemmyvore,

    What on Earth for. I don’t think I’ve used it more than a couple of times over the last 5 years, and that was for arcane stuff like enabling rc.local (which is something every user should probably not know about…)

    sederx, (edited )

    scheduling processes, enabling services, debug services and a shit load of other things that advanced users need.

    luthis,

    Plex, CUPS (printing services), Minecraft servers, VPN, file sharing, DHCP/DNS/Wifi, bluetooth are some examples of basic level things systemd can help regular users manage.

    Systemd goes far beyond that too.

    Synthead, in Enabling Bluetooth on Arch Linux

    A whole article for starting bluetooth from systemctl?

    moreeni,

    itsfoss.com is awful

    lemmyvore,

    Why doesn’t it start automatically anyway?

    Synthead,

    It’s against the philosophy of Arch. You configure your system the way you want.

    lemmyvore,

    So, like, you have to manually enable every service you install?

    Synthead, (edited )

    Yes, always.

    • Maybe you want to migrate a PostgreSQL database to a newer version without starting PostgreSQL server.
    • Maybe you installed OpenSSH but don’t want sshd to run yet, because you haven’t hardened the configs.
    • Maybe you installed Nginx as a part of a migration from Apache httpd, but httpd is already running.

    In addition, Arch hardly configures your system in a custom way, too. When you install a package, most of the time, it responds with “here are the files from the developer that you asked for.”

    If you don’t like this philosophy, then your feelings are perfectly valid, and this is a textbook example of why different distributions exist 👍

    sederx,

    Why would it?

    lemmyvore,

    Because if I install bluetooth it’s because I have some bluetooth devices I want to use?..

    sederx,

    Not necessarily at all times.

    Suoko, in This week in KDE: Panel Intellihide and Wayland Presentation Time
    @Suoko@feddit.it avatar

    What about systemd-genie? No distro includes it by default

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    What does that have to do with KDE? It seems to be for WSL which can’t run DEs

    morrowind, in This week in KDE: Panel Intellihide and Wayland Presentation Time
    @morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

    Their gitlab seems to be down, can’t follow any of the links

    d3Xt3r, in This week in KDE: Panel Intellihide and Wayland Presentation Time

    Plasma Panels have now gained a new visibility mode: “Dodge Windows” aka “intelligent auto-hide!” In essence, the Panel auto-hides when touched by a window, but is otherwise visible

    Finally! With this, we can now have a panel behave like a proper dock.

    turbowafflz,

    That is actually so exciting, I am so tired of the weirdly buggy behavior of “windows can cover”

    danielquinn, in How to keep all email locally in a useful format that can be searched across devices?
    @danielquinn@lemmy.ca avatar

    I still have every email I’ve ever received, going back now more than 20 years. My solution isn’t terribly fancy, but it gets the job done.

    I have a Synology here at home running a mail server. You don’t need a Synology specifically, just a simple mail server with access to a lot of disk space. The server isn’t on the Open web or anything and doesn’t support SMTP. It’s just running IMAP to serve the local mail around the house.

    I connect to it from Thunderbird on my various machines. I also use Thunderbird to connect to my actual mail servers to do my day-to-day mail stuff.

    Every six months or so, I move old mail messages from my actual mail servers over to the archival one. Generally, I keep the mail on the archival server in folders; one per year, that keeps the loading time to a minimum. For example, come January 1st 2024, I’ll be moving mail from January 2023 - June 2023 to the /2023 folder on the archive.

    Searching is done via Thunderbird just like you search any mail account, and on my desktop machine, I let Thunderbird keep copies of the mail locally for quick searching. On my laptop though, I ask it to not keep copies to save disk space.

    chillytuna,

    @danielquinn @crank That's pretty cool. How much storage does 20 years of personal emails actually take up?

    danielquinn,
    @danielquinn@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s actually not as crazy as you might think:

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">$ du -sh .Maildir/
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">13G	.Maildir/
    </span>
    

    That’s going back to 2000 1995, both sent & received. The first email I have in there is from a friend of mine offering to send me an MP3 she downloaded.

    chillytuna,

    @danielquinn Is that just for text or also for images & attachments? Either way, yeah, 13G is a tiny amount of space when you consider how much info is in there! I wish I had done something similar.

    maxprime,

    You were downloading and sharing mp3s in 1995?? Didn’t the file extension only come out in 1995?

    Dekkia, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article
    @Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it avatar

    Wayland break games

    The Steam Deck uses wayland so I guess that’s not true (anymore?)

    arthur,

    Valve created gamescope, that’s a microcompositor just for games. Other Wayland compositors may still break games.

    flying_sheep,
    @flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

    I was very sad when KDE reintroduced the concept of “primary screen”.

    It used to just be the current screen, which meant that when I wanted to game or watch something on my projector, I just dragged steam or the folder with movies to the projector screen, then launched whatever I wanted, and it appeared on the screen I wanted it on.

    Now I have to jerryrig kwin and a custom steam-in-gamescope Launcher to have games launch there. As a side effect, steam thinks my PC is a steam deck and therefore can’t be exited from inside of it, I have to right click the tray icon.

    Horribly kludgy compared to “click launch game button on screen x, game opens on screen x”

    shrugal, in A response to the "Boycott Wayland" article

    XKCD#1172 is very relevant here.

    LeFantome,

    Very

    vluz, in Pyradion, internet radio TUI client, with recording functionality, written in Python
    @vluz@kbin.social avatar

    Lovely! I'll go read the code as soon as I have some coffee.

    christos,
    @christos@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks, any feedback would be welcome!

    solrize, in How to keep all email locally in a useful format that can be searched across devices?

    I’d say run a local imap server rather than dealing with the weirdness of storage shares across multiple OS’s.

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