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chalupapocalypse, in Windows 11 scores dead last in gaming performance tests against 3 Linux gaming distros

Cool what about games with anti-cheat

Pantherina,

Cool what about malware? /s (no really anticheat is malware)

teichflamme,

Anticheat isn’t malware. Malware has adverse effects on your system.

AC uses some techniques that some forms of malware also use (but far from all)

undefinedValue,

Malware defined as any software that does not benefit the user but wastes systems resources would fit here.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

And that definition depends on how you define “benefitting the user”. If someone has an online match ruined by a hacker, I’d argue that they would have benefitted from the game running some kind of anticheat.

Do we define user as the singular individual person? Or do we consider the user as a collective, and factor in the larger benefit to the masses? It could even be argued that the people running cheats are the ones running malware (specifically, malware that targets the other users in the match) and should therefore be treated the same way we treat people who use more traditional viruses and trojans at the detriment to others. The same way you wouldn’t want some virus-ridden machine connecting to your home network, (you’d probably want everyone to at least be running a basic virus scanner and have common sense when browsing,) you would want everyone in the game running anticheat to ensure there is no malware.

Very few people would say that it’s okay to waste others’ time and computer resources on a bitcoin miner trojan… Most people would (correctly) determine that it is theft. But then when it comes to online games, the same people feel entitled to waste other peoples’ time and computer resources by ruining their matches.

018118055, (edited )

If your security relies on software in the control of the end user you have a problem.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

That’s largely a corporate decision that is out of the hands of the programmers. Generally speaking, security specialists would agree with you. But running anticheat on the server costs server resources, which means you need more servers to accommodate the same number of players. Running it client-side is a cost cutting measure mandated by the corporate bean counters who did the math and concluded it’d be cheaper for the company to spend the users’ computer resources instead.

While I agree that client-side security isn’t the best solution, it’s certainly better than no solution. It’s the same argument people have against self-driving cars. The self-driving cars don’t need to be perfect; They just need to be better than the average driver. If they can reduce the number and severity of accidents that are currently happening without them, then they should be implemented. Even if the solution isn’t perfect. Because an imperfect solution is better than doing nothing at all.

018118055,

You’re right and it’s a pragmatic approach to the problem. They only need broad technical effectiveness to change user behaviour.

I’d argue that it’s not strictly cost cutting but cost transferring. The total client resources most likely exceed that which would be needed on servers.

teichflamme,

I don’t think that is a widely accepted holistic definition of malware. But even if, AC is not waisting resources. It’s taking the resources it needs to perform its job.

jimbo,

Anticheat benefits the users by…reducing the number of cheaters in games. Big concept to wrap your head around, I know.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

There are several forms of anticheat. The ones that just run when the game is running, is usually fine. However, there is the Riot anti cheat which just runs all the time and isn’t uninstalled when Valorant is uninstalled. That is malware.

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

what about single player games? how does that anticheat benefit any user?

jimbo,

Are there single player games with anticheat?

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

I know that Resident Evil games come with Denuvo, for example.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

DRM isn’t anti cheat.

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

in the denuvo product page it is called anticheat by their creators

irdeto.com/denuvo/anti-cheat/

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

in the denuvo product page it is called anticheat by their creators

irdeto.com/denuvo/anti-cheat/

You’ve linked to their anti cheat which they also offer but it’s not their main product. Funny that you missed that, given that you were already on their web site and irdeto.com/denuvo/ spells out “Anti-Piracy technology” in huge font:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eb54700c-f4e1-4db3-96e7-4500a3375299.png

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

being sincere I just searched for denuvo anticheat to see if it was called like that.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

There are games with single player and multiplayer modes that come with anti cheat. I had some game a few months ago that was a Steam freebie (can’t remember the name) whose anti cheat didn’t install properly on Windows and it didn’t allow me to launch regular single player, only mod mode.

usrtrv,

If you’re not just being facetious, areweanticheatyet.com is a good source.

According to them ~58% of anti-cheat games work. There’s been a large uptick of anti-cheat support since the Steam Deck.

According to ProtonDB, 86% of the top 1000 games on Steam function (Silver+ rating). It’s a pretty safe bet that the most of the missing 14% is probably due to anti-cheat.

tea,

Thanks for this. The one multiplayer game I’ve been consistently playing apparently got Linux anti cheat support enabled 2 months ago.

I think installing Linux on my gaming/work PC will be a winter holiday project for me 😀.

Now to pick a distro.

usrtrv,

Is it Hell Let Loose? I started playing it since they support Linux now, very well done Battlefield-like game. I haven’t played much BF since 1942.

tea,

Yep, that’s the one haha

chalupapocalypse,

Yeah mostly just talking shit. I love my steam deck.

jimbo,

I’ve been playing games that use EasyAntiCheat (Hunt Showdown and Chivalry 2) and they seem to work fine.

pizza, in Self Post
Pantherina, (edited ) in Windows 11 scores dead last in gaming performance tests against 3 Linux gaming distros

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKSQT5mV-c

Important: Nobara is way less Secure than Fedora.

  • no Secureboot
  • monthly updates instead of often daily
  • purposefully removed SELinux (because the Dev doesnt know how to use it)
  • still no Fedora39!

If you want to game, stick to regular Fedora. A project that is actually secure is ublue with dedicated NVIDIA images that should just work and never break, and they even have Bazzite, an Image specifically for the Steamdeck but also for Desktop.

These images are only ½ day behind upstream, apply minimal additions and patches (like drivers, codecs, packages, udev rules for controllers) and Nick from the video above found out that the Nobara patches with their weird less supported Kernel arent really worth the hassle.

Skimmer, (edited )

I 100% agree, its best to just stick to upstream Fedora imo. Glad you made this comment. The security issues of Nobara always put me off, especially since basically everything it does can just be applied to regular Fedora. I think Nobara would much better serve as a script or toolkit, similar to Brace, or something along those lines instead of an entire separate OS with the security issues it brings.

jlow,

Your ublue-link got messed up, did you mean universal-blue.org ?

Pantherina, (edited )

No its their shortlink and I am lazy. But replaced it.

yum13241,

Secure Boot is an utter piece of bullshit from the depths of hell.

Pantherina,

Proprietary UEFI BIOS is, but for a secure system with local manipulation prevention it can be needed. Also secureboot is a security measurement against malware so no, its simply the best we have.

Look at Coreboot if you want a secure modern system

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yum13241,

Secure Boot is just Bootloader Signature Enforcement controlled by M$, it’s not gonna prevent Superfish 2.0 from happening.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a coreboot-able system. When I move out I’ll make that a priority.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean you saw LogoFAIL right?

yum13241,

I never bought my current machines. Funnily enough, they don’t show any logos on bootup, (Windows Boot Manager is smth else)

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The vulnerability actually isn’t in Windows Boot Manager, it’s a flaw in the image-parsing code of the UEFI itself. That’s why it’s able to bypass SecureBoot.

It just happens that for whatever reason you can easily update the image file from within Windows/Linux itself. The fact they don’t show a logo currently does not mean you’re immune, as the system might just be showing a black screen at that point. Code can be injected into an image file without perceptibly affecting the image output, so you’d likely be able to use a “black screen” logo. If your computer has a UEFI instead of a BIOS, which is pretty much everything from the last 10yrs, then you are more than likely at risk.

My computer likely isn’t susceptible, and that’s because it’s a Dell workstation. While the bug still exists in the image parser, Dell has locked things down so it’s pretty much impossible to change the boot logo from userspace.

Flaky,
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FWIW, some firmware allow changing it during the update procedure. I remember having to update my ThinkPad’s firmware and it had that option.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s valid, I looked into it with Dell and later articles have mentioned they aren’t susceptible.

yum13241,

Yes, IK WBM is not the problem here. My systems don’t show a logo at all, and they don’t have a “hide logo” options.

retro,

As a non-power user, I don’t want daily updates. Monthly is perfectly fine for me.

Pantherina, (edited )

Then disable the updates lol. This is done in the background and includes all the security patches so you dont even see any of it, not a single popup.

We are not talking about backported security fixes, but literally no updates for an entire month.

superweeniehutjrs, in Laptop with long runtime

Framework. They even have a factory seconds store, if you don’t need a perfect screen.

Synthead, in Laptop with long runtime

What do you mean by “has a great runtime?”

not_a_bot_i_swear,
@not_a_bot_i_swear@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a good reply. Reading the other replies, I realized that great runtime is very different for everyone. I wouldn’t consider 5-7 hours great. More like absolute minimum 8. Better is 10-12. This sounds very unlikely though, apart from MacBooks with ARM CPU.

Synthead,

Oh you mean battery life?

Valmond, (edited ) in Laptop with long runtime

There are some sweet used laptops with great runtime in the Lenovo ThinkPad series.

Not new though…

Edit: maybe new if you have the budget ofc

cmnybo,

The T480 and T580 are some of the last ones they made with swapable batteries. Everything works out of the box in Linux except the fingerprint scanner which needs some additional configuration.

I have a T480 with an integrated GPU and the largest battery. It runs for a long time on a charge and there are lots of spare parts available.

chris,

Just curious, the 72WH battery? What’s a “long time?” I use the standard slim battery on my T480 and was only getting 3-4 hours on Pop (both brand new batteries). And forget about standby. It would regularly lose 20-30% overnight if not completely shut down. Wanted to make it work, but that alone made me boot back into Windows for the laptop.

cmnybo,

I still get over 12 hours of web browsing or video playback with the backlight around 30% on mine even though my internal battery is down to 60% capacity and my external is around 90%. Standby drains about 10% overnight. I am running Linux Mint on mine and I set up TLP. Undervolting can increase the runtime quite a bit, but I haven’t bothered with that yet.

const_void,

Why buy Lenovo even there are a bunch of vendors making Linux-first laptops these days? When you buy Lenovo you’re supporting Microsoft and a bunch of other shady companies (firmware vendors, etc).

cmnybo,

I’ve gotten both of my thinkpads used, so none of that money went to Lenovo or Microsoft. The laptops that come with Linux are expensive and are rarely available used.

RogueBanana,

Cause lenovo actually sell their laptop here. I do wish framework would expand out soon but seems quite unlikely for a few more years.

Pantherina, in What's with all these hip filesystems and how are they different?

Fedora uses BTRFS so I get the features are the best argument for it

www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.14-File-Systems

But it seems F2FS is by far the fastest in many areas! Its used in Android, optimized for Flash storage.

TechAdmin, in Laptop with long runtime

I’ve had good luck with refurbished Dell laptops. My primary laptop is a refurbished Dell Latitude 11" 3120. Bought it for ~$250 at beginning of this year and currently have Fedora on it. It’s not very powerful. I use it primarily to browse the web, watch movies/tv, and vnc/ssh to my other systems. Can last about 5-6 hours streaming video from jellyfin at 50% brightness, other stuff barely uses any power and can stretch out to 9-10 hours if I set display brightness even lower.

I’ve always bought Windows laptops then put linux on them so I’m used to verifying that tools such as TLP are installed, configured, enabled, and working. There is too much variety with laptops for all of them to be handled automatically unfortunately so I always verify it. If a laptop came with Linux pre-installed then it might be good to go ootb but I’d still verify.

not_a_bot_i_swear,
@not_a_bot_i_swear@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting. 9-10 hours sounds nice! Do you think never ones would have even better runtime? Have you used TLPUI? Maybe with a GUI I could get my self to play around with TLP…

carlytm, in nvidia-535 and Debian

NVIDIA’s Debian repo for Cuda has more up to date GPU drivers, if you don’t wanna manually install from the .run file. Documentation here, its not reflected yet in the docs but there’s a Debian 12 repo.

demonsword,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

thanks, I’m going to read that later and see if I can get it working

BuoyantCitrus, in Laptop with long runtime

Next time I look for a small laptop to have handy one thing I’m going to be sure to prioritise is: how much battery does it use while suspended? I’d really like to not need to have it switch to hibernate after 30m of sleep or w/e and ideally just plug it in overnight like a phone.

PseudoSpock,
@PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

And that it CAN suspend fully.

sexy_peach, (edited ) in What's with all these hip filesystems and how are they different?

you’re forgetting about the all new bcachefs

dunno I also wonder if it’s worth it for personal use

rutrum,
@rutrum@lm.paradisus.day avatar

Now THAT is hip

sexy_peach,

Well I am a very cool guy 😏

jerd, in Laptop with long runtime

Needs to be Linux? Xps. Unix? MacBook of choice.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I doubt anyone will want to use System V

not_a_bot_i_swear,
@not_a_bot_i_swear@lemmy.world avatar

Do you have a XPS? How’s the runtime? Are you happy with it in terms of Linux support?

PseudoSpock,
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XPS no longer does S3 sleep, only hybrid sleep. :(

rotopenguin,
@rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

Most vendors have dropped S3 sleep, since Windows 8+ doesn’t use it. S0ix-way or the highway.

PseudoSpock,
@PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I won’t buy a laptop without it. My earlier Dell Precision had it, but under warranty they ended up replacing it for a slightly “better” model, because the damage from the swollen battery was too hard to repair. I hate the new one. I have to make this 64gig laptop hibernate to get close to what I had with S3 sleep… but it’s nowhere near instant. I hate them for doing that to me. And this newer laptop (Precision 5550) keeps losing screws and it has stray clicks from the chassis flexing when you try to pick it up. Miss the old one. Think it was a 5540.

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

XPS make great Linux machines, but I find their batteries have a noticable drop after a year or so.

My next machine is going to be a FrameWork, so that I can easily replace the battery.

vzq,

I was about to say the same. I usually run Dell XPS or Macs. The good thing about Macs is that the sleep modes and stuff all work really really well. The XPSs are solid, and the hardware support in Linux is pretty good.

A notable third entry recent entry for me is framework. Customizable, upgradable and not too expensive (when compared to the other two), it’s a great option.

Discover5164, in Laptop with long runtime

i have the same requirements as you. i bought framework 13.

i’m still in the confuguration phase, for now it has a decent battery run of ~6/8h of installing stuff. i’m configuring nixos.

not_a_bot_i_swear,
@not_a_bot_i_swear@lemmy.world avatar

I looked into them. And it sounded a lot of the users are not happy about the build quality compared to Thinkpads or Latitudes. How is your experience? Did you go with Intel or AMD?

Discover5164,

i just got a ThinkPad for work, it’s spectacular. but if you need to replace something…

the framework is solid, and allows to replace anything. i think the tradeoff is very fair.

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

Build quality on Frameworks is dramatically better than most ThinkPads. They've made a lot of improvements to battery life since the first generation (I got mine in the second batch), so it might have decent battery life now. They've always been more efficient on Linux than on Windows.

the_q,

Build quality? You mean replaceable parts vs glue making things feel more solid? Have I had this conversation with you before?

Jumuta,

you have TLP configured?

Discover5164,

yes but default config, i still need to look into it

datendefekt,
@datendefekt@lemmy.ml avatar

Which CPU are you using? I’ve got the 11th gen i5 and battery life is just miserable, especially in standby.

Discover5164,

i5-1340p

there is a kernel parameter to add to make standby better: mem_sleep_default=deep.

if you are on nixos you can import the framework hardware module from “nixos-hardware”. it also includes other fixes

possiblylinux127, in An open-source, cross-platform terminal for seamless workflows

Looks like bloat to me

possiblylinux127, in Self Post

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