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throwawayish, (edited ) in Which distro in your opinion is the best for virtualization (Windows 10 on either KVM or VMware), stability, and speed?

virtualization

Honestly, I don’t know. Though, I’d reckon there would be any significant difference between distros.

stability

Depends on what you mean with stability. If you meant it like how “stable” is used in “Debian stable”, then it would be any distro with a release cycle that chooses to not continuously deliver packages; but instead chooses to freeze packages and hold off updates (besides those related to security) for the sake of offering a relatively polished experience in which the behavior of the distro is relatively predictable. Some distros that score good on this would be Debian stable and openSUSE Leap. It’s worth noting that Distrobox, Flatpak and Nix allow one to have newer packages on these systems if desired.

If, instead, you meant that the distro is less likely to break upon an update, then it’s important to note the following:

  • While you shouldn’t expect breakage to happen in the first place, unfortunately it’s realistic to expect it every so often (read: 0-2 times a year on non-stable distros).
  • If you have a lot of packages, then it’s more likely that at least one of them causes some breakage.
  • Technically, every update is a potential ‘breakage-moment’.
  • Packages that haven’t been installed through the official/native repos are more likely to cause breakage.
  • Relying on Distrobox, Flatpak and Nix for (at least some of) your packages should benefit the stability of your base system.
  • (GRUB-)Btrfs+Timeshift/Snapper allows one to create snapshots one can easily rollback to in case of breakage. Therefore it’s worth seeking out a distro that configures this by default or set it up yourself on whichever distro you end up using (if it isn’t included by default).
  • So-called ‘atomic’^[1]^ distros are (generally speaking) more resistant to breakage, but (arguably) they’re less straightforward compared to traditional distros. It’s still worth considering if you’re adventurous or if your setup is relatively simple and you don’t really feel the need to tinker a lot. Don’t get me wrong; these atomic distros should be able to satiate ones customization needs, it’s just that it might not be as straightforward to accomplish this. Which, at times, might merely be blamed on lackluster documentation more than anything else.^[2]^

As for recommendations you shouldn’t look beyond unadulterated distros like (Arch^[3]^), Debian, Fedora, openSUSE (and Ubuntu^[4]^). These are (in almost all cases^[5]^) more polished than their respective derivatives.

speed

Most of the distros mentioned in this comment should perform close enough to one another that it shouldn’t matter in most cases.

If you’re still lost, then just pick Linux Mint and call it a day.


  1. More commonly referred to as ‘immutable’. Atomic, however, is in most cases a better name.
  2. If you’re still interested, I’d recommend Fedora Silverblue for newcomers and NixOS for those that actually know what they’re getting into.
  3. I believe that one should be able to engage with Arch as long as they educate themselves on the excellent ArchWiki. It might not be for everyone, though. Furthermore, its installation (even with archinstall) might be too much for a complete newbie if they haven’t seen a video guide on it.
  4. Ubuntu is interesting. It has some strange quirks due to its over-reliance on Snap. But it’s worth mentioning, if you don’t feel like tinkering.
  5. With Linux Mint (and Pop!_OS) being the clear exception(s).
mmababes,

I’m going to give openSUSE Leap a try.

If you meant it like how “stable” is used in “Debian stable”…

Yup, that’s what I meant

throwawayish,

Great choice! But as others already have noted; if it will be used for virtualization only, then perhaps distros like Proxmox should suit you better.

0x2d, in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?

i run arch on my surface

my dell runs kubuntu, but i plan to move it to arch as well (after i back up my data)

i liked it for a while and suddenly had tons of issues with snap, especially with firefox, and webusb breaking constantly on chromium (i use android flash tool a lot)

Molten_Moron, in What would be the best way for me to recover data from my old laptop's hard drive, which seems to have a bad superblock?

As others have said, first make a full copy of the disk so you’re not working on a failing drive.

Then, I highly recommend DDRescue

janabuggs, in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?

I honestly don’t understand why recent Ubuntu releases are popular. However, I enjoyed it in the early 2000s. There was another popular release a few years ago that had zero hotkeys enabled and I have never felt more disgusted by a release in my life. I can’t even remember what it’s called, it traumatized me hahaha.

dingdongitsabear, (edited ) in Dell Latitude Frustration

you have faulty hardware, whether it’s RAM or cooling or storage related, no way to tell but crashes like that don’t happen nowadays.

edit: I recall having some issues with a 7490 a few years back, it needed some special module for the fan or the sensors, not sure. don’t know if that’s your issue, but look it up.

dingdongitsabear, (edited )

I think you mistyped the model, if it’s a 7390 it should be the same hardware as the 7490 I’ve mentioned. the module I needed was i8k, check if your model needs it.

knfrmity,

The RAM is fine (Memtest ran 4 times without faults), and cooling seems to work well enough. Storage is ok and I used two different SSDs through this whole process and saw the same problems on both.

I tried the previous known-good kernel options on the Manjaro install and it seems to be OK now. According to the Arch Wiki the Intel 8th Gen mobile CPUs and especially iGPUs are known to be a little problematic on Linux so the kernel options to disable some power saving options are basically non-optional. It’s weird though that it works now and didn’t on the Tumbleweed reinstall.

dingdongitsabear,

I have an issue involving similar hardware, can you share the mandatory stuff for 8th gen iGPUs? read through the intel_graphics article but found no direct mention.

did you try the i8k module?

knfrmity,

I linked the specific wiki page section in an edit to the main post. It’s in the troubleshooting part at the end.

I didn’t try the i8k module but looking at a couple things it looks like the issue was more apparent around Linux kernel 4.15 from a few years ago. I also don’t have any specific complaints with temperature control. The fans only ramp up in the 70-80C range which seems to be quite reasonable.

dingdongitsabear,

thanks. unfortunately, didn’t fix my problem.

I also have a T480s with similar hardware to your Dell and it works without issues, no kernel switches necessary.

jcrabapple, in Nobara 39 Officially Released
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  • woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Dang. Guess I’ll be switching to Ublue Bazzite.

    Which of the many bullet points in the changelog is the reason for that?

    cashews_best_nut,

    Some people are into cock and ball torture.

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    I don’t like KDE and if Gnome is not going to be the main DE anymore I might just move to another distro. NBD.

    Rogers,

    What are your main dislikes of kde?

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    I’ve always experienced weird annoying bugs, and I much prefer the UX and minimalism of gnome. It’s better for productivity. I don’t just use my desktop for gaming.

    8Bitz0,

    This is my complaint as well. KDE certainly has advantages and neat design ideas, but I always come across some major bugs that make my device unusable.

    Definitely not saying GNOME doesn’t have bugs as well though.

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    Everything has bugs of course but I personally don’t notice as many in Gnome and I just like the overall UX and workflow better.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, Nobara is a gaming-oriented distribution and as the changelog outlines, does Plasma currently offer technological benefits. As is the case with everything, this isn’t set in stone and might change at some point but right now the main target audience for paid development work for Gnome are corporate users where for Plasma it’s being Desktop Mode for Steam Deck.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Gnome is still there, just not by default and Bazzite defaults to KDE Plasma as well.

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    I just saw that. I’ll keep looking.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll keep looking.

    But why? Not being the default doesn’t mean that Gnome isn’t available. As both are Fedora derivatives, both should have good Gnome support inherited from Fedora anyway. As the changelog says, only a handful of Gnome Shell extensions will no longer be provided in the Nobara repository but instaling them manually from extensions.gnome.org is a breeze.

    SuperIce,

    Gnome isn’t the main DE of bazzite either though

    ikidd,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, just let him have his hissy fit.

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    TIL not liking something is a hissy fit. Thank you for this educational comment.

    ikidd,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    They still have a gnome ISO, but you’re going to throw it out because it isnt the “official” version. That sounds like a hissy fit.

    The non-official KDE previous version was fine, since the point of the distro is the backend optimizations for gaming and editing. Its not what DE leads point since you can add whatever Fedora has in the repos, which is pretty much everything.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    TIL not liking something is a hissy fit.

    While I don’t know the term hissy fit, switching distributions just because the default of a user-changeable setting is different is definitively a bit over the top.

    jcrabapple,
    @jcrabapple@infosec.pub avatar

    I see that now. It’s cool I’ll just dual boot Nobara KDE and Fedora Silverblue or something.

    quarterlife, (edited )

    Speaking on Bazzite, KDE is our default to match SteamOS, but we put more effort into the GNOME release if anything due to us trying to maintain feature parity with Valve’s KDE, including being able to right click and add to steam, use the desktop nested, enable VRR, add custom themes based on the ones Valve shipped, and add the steam deck wallpapers ported to GNOME.

    That being said, GE’s points about GNOME are very real, and they have a lot of catching to do in regards to gaming. KDE has DRM Leasing, VRR and HDR right now.

    kogasa,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    Literally just install GNOME

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    As I understand it, that’s not even needed because the current DE choice is being preserved at an upgrade. The only thing that needs manual tweaking is reinstalling the extensions from the Gnome website which isn’t really an issue at all.

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,

    there still is a gnome spin… it just isn’t the default

    Stillhart,

    Because of the switch to KDE from Gnome? Or something else I’m missing?

    brayd, in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?
    @brayd@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Honestly everything besides Debian and Arch after distro hopping for years.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble, in Which distro in your opinion is the best for virtualization (Windows 10 on either KVM or VMware), stability, and speed?

    Is this running in your main PC or a server type device?

    mmababes,

    My main PC

    tigerjerusalem, in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?

    Anything that’s not Ubuntu, because it’s the “mainstream Linux”, so guaranteed I’ll find anything I need there.

    possiblylinux127, (edited ) in Firefox 122 Enters Public Beta Testing with Improved Built-In Translation Feature

    The feature is a privacy nightmare. I wish it was done locally.

    Edit: it is

    moon,

    It is done locally

    kugmo,
    @kugmo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Bio checks out.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    At least they are self aware.

    mik,

    Firefox Translations is an add-on that helps translate websites in Firefox without using the cloud. Additionally, Firefox version 118 introduces a built-in translation feature, allowing you to perform translations locally within your browser, prioritizing your privacy and security. This feature enables you to effortlessly surf the web in your preferred language. For in-depth guidance on utilizing this feature, explore our Firefox built-in fullpage translation guide.

    Source

    I think it is translated locally.

    possiblylinux127,

    Oh that is pretty cool

    EccTM, in Firefox 122 Enters Public Beta Testing with Improved Built-In Translation Feature

    I wish they’d remove the US-only geo-restriction they have on half the autofill functionality.

    Alto,
    @Alto@kbin.social avatar

    Isn't that due to stricter data collection/retention regulations in the EU?

    Vincent,

    I think it's just because some things have country-specific formats. For example, if you want to prefill credit card details, you have to figure out how the credit card fields are labelled.

    moon, in Firefox 122 Enters Public Beta Testing with Improved Built-In Translation Feature

    I’m hoping their translation software ends up supporting Chinese/Japanese. Also come to Android please! Hopefully on Android in and out of reader mode.

    shreddy_scientist,
    @shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

    I would dig this, I’d bet it’s in the works. Biggest question is when it’ll be released.

    caseyweederman, in D-Bus overview

    Wait. Is xfconf-query just a front-end for one branch of dbus?

    caseyweederman,

    Looks like xfconf merely shares the hierarchical structure. Still… Hm.

    Samueru, (edited ) in What distros have you tried and thought, "Nope, this one's not for me"?

    It pains me to say this, but voidlinux, though I’m still not in the stage of “this one is not for me”, it has potential and hopefully I can sort all the issues I’ve encountered so far.

    I’ve tried multiple distros, and also used artix for a while so I’m used to not using systemd but man void is really another thing, this isn’t the first time I’ve used it, I tried it a year ago and gave up, recently I decided that I’m up for the challenge and began using it again, here’s what has happened so far:

    Well right now I’m dealing with the pc freezing when quitting the user session, for some reason I need to exit i3 before logging out, otherwise the system freezes.

    Also I wasn’t able to get a clean boot screen even though I had the typical kernel parameters quiet, loglevel, etc, it even prints info on the login prompt where I should be putting my username, though I managed to mitigate this a lot by passing a kernel parameter that tells it to use another tty for the boot messages.

    file-roller is broken, I can’t compress some directories to 7zip, the weird thing is that it only happens to some directories and not all.

    Though the very good news is that they fix issues very fast, puddletag was broken and they fixed it in like 2 hours after I reported the issue.

    Edit: It is not just file-roller that is broken, it is all of 7zip on void, I can’t compress with xarchiver either

    librards_sucks,

    Fadora or ache are pretty good

    penquin, in KDE KWin Merge Request For Triple Buffering

    Nice. I keep forgetting to install it. Plasma is snappy as is

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