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Lenny, in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

The Linus that was promised.

jasondj,

It’s a shame. Linus was and is far more deserving of respect for his contributions to technology than Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Probably even Woz. But he’s by far down the line in terms of fame and fortune. Except maybe Woz.

atyaz, in Fuck it, give me your most OVERRATED Distros

Whichever your favorite one is, that’s the most overrated one

lemmesay, in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I love GNU/Linux.

Before I used Debian, I’d constantly fight with my operating system. Every time I opened michaelsoft binbows(which would take ages to open), I’d make sure that simplewall is running, so that bill doesn’t get any more info, after every 180 days, I’d run MAS to renew my office 365. I’d manually sync time since windows would use that same domain to send telemetry.

Now everytime I turn on my computer, the swirl of Debian greets me in a flash, my i3 being ready even before I sit.

I can spend hours doing work without any mandatory updates . It is an operating system that never makes me feel its presence. For that I’m grateful to people like Ian, Stallman, Linus, among countless others making my life better.

Polar,

I can spend hours doing work without any mandatory updates .

Weird way to say spend hours fixing something that just randomly borked your PC.

Seriously, though. Windows has a fuck ton of issues, but it seems like every distro I install I am eventually greeted with something just completely breaking for no reason whatsoever and spend the next 6 hours scouring Linux forums for a solution, where everyone is just hostile as fuck screaming at people to “figure it out yourself” and to “use Terminal”.

Glad it works for you, though. Wonder how many downvotes this cold take is going to net me lol.

LeFantome, in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

If we are marking the birth of Linux and trying to call it GNU / Linux, we should remember our history.

Linux was not created with the intention of being part of the GNU project. In this very announcement, it says “not big and professional like GNU”. Taking away the adjectives, the important bit is “not GNU”. Parts of GNU turned out to be “big and professional”. Look at who contributes to GCC and Glibc for example. I would argue that the GNU kernel ( HURD ) is essentially a hobby project though ( not very “professional” ). The rest of GNU never really not that “big” either. My Linux distro offers me something like 80,000 packages and only a few hundred of them are associated with the GNU project.

What I wanted to point out here though is the license. Today, the Linux kernel is distributed via the GPL. This is the Free Software Foundation’s ( FSF ) General Public License—arguably the most important copyleft software license. Linux did not start out GPL though.

In fact, the early goals of the FSF and Linus were not totally aligned.

The FSF started the GNU project to create a POSIX system that provides Richard Stallman’s four freedoms and the GPL was conceived to enforce this. The “free” in FSF stands for freedom. In the early days, GNU was not free as in money as Richard Stallman did not care about that. Richard Stallman made money for the FSF by charging for distribution of GNU on tapes.

While Linus Torvalds as always been a proponent of Open Source, he has not always been a great advocate of “free software” in the FSF sense. The reason that Linus wrote Linux is because MINIX ( and UNIX of course ) cost money. When he says “free” in this announcement, he means money. When he started shipping Linux, he did not use the GPL. Perhaps the most important provision of the original Linux license was that you could NOT charge money for it. So we can see that Linus and RMS ( Richard Stallman ) had different goals.

In the early days, a “working” Linux system was certainly Linux + GNU ( see my reply elsewhere ). As there was no other “free” ( legally unencumbered ) UNIX-a-like, Linux became popular quickly. People started handing out Linux CDs at conferences and in universities ( this was pre-WWW remember ). The Linux license meant that you could not charge for these though and, back then, distributing CDs was not cheap. So being an enthusiastic Linux promoter was a financial commitment ( the opposite of “free” ).

People complained to Linus about this. Imposing financial hardship was the opposite of what he was trying to do. So, to resolve the situation, Linus switched the Linux kernel license to GPL.

The Linux kernel uses a modified GPL though. It is one that makes it more “open” ( as in Open Source ) but less “free” ( as in RMS / FSF ).

Switching to the GPL was certainly a great move for Linux. It exploded in popularity. When the web become a thing in the mid-90’s, Linux grew like wild fire and it dragged parts of the GNU project into the limelight wit it.

As a footnote, when Linus sent this announcement that he was working on Linux, BSD was already a thing. BSD was popular in academia and a version for the 386 ( the hardware Linus had ) had just been created. As BSD was more mature and more advanced, arguably it should have been BSD and not Linux that took over the world. BSD was free both in terms or money and freedom. It used the BSD license of course which is either more or less free than the GPL depending on which freedoms you value. Sadly, AT&T sued Berkeley ( the B in BSD ) to stop the “free”‘ distribution of BSD. Linux emerged as an alternative to BSD right at the moment that BSD was seen as legally risky. Soon, Linux was reaching audiences that had never heard of BSD. By the time the BSD lawsuit was settled, Linux was well on its way and had the momentum. BSD is still with us ( most purely as FreeBSD ) but it never caught up in terms of community size and / or commercial involvement.

If not for that AT&T lawsuit, there may have never been a Linux as we know it now and GNU would probably be much less popular as well.

Ironically, at the time that Linus wrote this announcement, BSD required GCC as well. Modern FreeBSD uses Clang / LLVM instead but this did not come around until many, many years later. The GNU project deserves its place in history and not just on Linux.

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Something is open source or isn’t. There’s a set, binary definition.
I get the feeling you’re implying a difference/aversion between those two terms which doesn’t exist. This and the combination with a nonsensical statement about amount of GNU packages vs non-GNU packed makes it feel like you’re pushing an agenda here: There’s far more free software than just GNU’s - that’s a success for free software and the GNU project. There’s no connect between the argument you’re obviously implying.
Also HURD never took off - but why should it? The GNU project’s goal is a fully free operating system, with Linux being persuaded to adopt a proper license there’s no real need for HURD. It doesn’t mean it isn’t a fun project.

youngGoku,

Open source is one thing but “free” is a lot of things.

LeFantome,

Which two terms? Everyone has an agenda but I am not sure what I am being accused of here. Do you mean Free Software vs Open Source? The FSF goes to great lengths to distinguish between those two terms:

gnu.org/…/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

I am pretty sure my usage is consistent with the owners and creators of those terms. Have I made an error?

DrBob,
@DrBob@lemmy.ca avatar

The BSD license allows incorporation of BSD code in non-free projects. That was both an advantage for capitalists while simultaneously moving hobbyists away from it’s development. Kind of an important bit of info.

sky, in Accent colors are now a standard preference for Linux

Nice! I recently switched to Android and the Material You adaptive coloring through the system is so nice.

Anything that makes customizing a Linux desktop a little easier is good in my book.

Eeyore_Syndrome, in What's up with all these immutable distributions? What are the benefits and disadvantages of them?
@Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

I love Universal Blue.

It’s OCI cloud image based Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite/Serica with extra steps/batteries included.

“The reliability of a Chromebook, but with the flexibility and power of a traditional Linux desktop.”

But also probably an easier way for Nvidia Fedora users to game on Linux:

Easily roll back deployments or 📌 one and rebase to something else easy peasy. (So many different choices) Test betas with no fear!

I’ve actually been gaming on Bazzite for two weeks now:

Jorge’s Blog:

Media:

If you wanna simply make your own image to share with friends/family:

Universal Blue isn’t a distro. It’s more of a reimplementation/enhancement of Immutable OCI Cloud Based Images of Fedora.

pythonoob, in Met a nice lady at the grocery store

Today at the grocery store a sweet older lady approached me and asked if I knew anything about computers.

Next on things that totally happened today…

Penguincoder, in Stop Using Bash

No.

sederx, in Stop Using Bash

As an admin this is madness. I’m good with bash,you know the shell I’ll find on any running system.

jman6495, in Secure distro for daily use

Few of the recommendations here are good for general use. I’d recommend fedora silverblue

ExLisper, in Linux clipboard app which has functionality to paste multiple things after copying them in one go.

There are tons of clipboard managers for Linux. I used clipit and copyq but there are more.

Funny story: some desktop support guy came to do something on my laptop. He opened some remote file, copied admins password, pasted it into login prompt, did his things, selected some random texts and pressed ctrl+c couple of times. I asked him if that was to clear the password and he says that yes. I’m like… look here, and I clicked in my clipboard manager icon and the password is there in the history. LoL.

flashgnash, in Stop Using Bash

Bash is good and is standard. Have been experimenting with zsh but don’t really see the appeal

If I need to write a script that is too complicated to do in bash I’ll do it in python

drcouzelis, in I Think Ubuntu 23.10 is Making a Mistake…
@drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

This article is strange… The author uses “being able to open Microsoft Office documents” as a common example of what an OS that claims to be easy to use should be able to do. Then says…

When people download Ubuntu 23.04 they get an OS that can do everything Windows 95 did - with 23.10 they don’t

No default installation of Microsoft Windows EVER opened Microsoft Office documents. If this was a simple oversight in the write-up it’d be fine, but the point is hammered over and over again.

I don’t have an opinion about Ubuntu including or not including more software in the default installation (my guess is it became too big to fit on a DVD?) but this article failed to make it’s point to me by making a comparison to Windows that isn’t true.

Also…

the world’s most popular desktop Linux operating system (that’s Ubuntu, for those of you playing dumb)

Is this supposed to be a cocky joke? I can’t tell. What metric of “most popular” is the author using?

cosmic_slate,
@cosmic_slate@dmv.social avatar

This author really needs to take a step back to reality.

The average person who’s already technically knowledgeable enough to download Ubuntu and burn a DVD or make a USB stick is already aware of the App Store on Mac and whatever the Windows App Store is called.

DAT, in Good luck, Flathub, with convincing companies to sell their software in your planned store 🤡.
@DAT@feddit.de avatar

I don’t get what your point is.

Should flathub remove the warning or proprietory software?

And why do you think snapstore would be any better in that regard?

monsieur_jean, in Questions about running Linux in a VM on Windows

You just want to get a feel for it, so I suggest what I've used with success in the past :

  • Windows host
  • Virtualbox
  • Linux Mint with the XFCE desktop environment.

All free, Linux mint is newbies friendly and XFCE is light enough to run well in a VM. It is Ubuntu based so it's very well documented (basically 99% of the tutorials for Ubuntu work with Mint) but it comes with less bloatware and a more ethics.

Of course no single Linux distribution is perfect or we would all be using it but I suggest you don't lose time looking for a distro. Just pick one and install it. If you don't like the look and feel, then try another. You can distro hop through several of them to taste the variations. But the general principles are pretty much the same across the board.

Crul,

Thanks for the suggestions.

Do you know if there is any reason to prefer Virtualbox over Hyper-V?

monsieur_jean,

Sorry just saw the answer.

Virtualbox is very easy to use out of the box, even if you have very little experience with virtualization. Everything is in one place and pretty much self explanatory.

Hyper-V is more complicated and requires that you have a Enterprise, Pro or Education license. It cannot be activated on the Windows 10 or 11 home edition.

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